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Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread - Champions of Everything™
« Reply #46410 on: July 28, 2020, 10:02:53 AM »
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Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread - Champions of Everything™
« Reply #46411 on: July 29, 2020, 11:41:08 AM »
Henderson is well deserving of any awards coming his way this season. Henderson is the driving force behind a team that has blitzed all before it in the league this season. That should be recognised.  But couldn't have argued if the award had gone to any of Mane, VVD, Trent, Robertson or De Bruyne either.

Some comments about Henderson are simply nuts. Of course he's not the most skilful or talented player in the league but very much a vital and influential player in the Liverpool team who have excelled these past two years. He has consistently done the job he's made for, better than any other player in that position. FFS football is about a team. Liverpool are not quite the same without Henderson. It's how it works, different types and styles of players for different positions. VVD was an essential buy for the defence, without him the last two years success would not happen. Firmino doesn't score like Mane or Salah but the other two need him to function as well as they do. Henderson is that vital cog, the fulcrum of one of Liverpool's best teams. Chances are, if you ask teammates about the best player they've played with he would be near the top.

I'd still suggest that if you set up a  poll of Liverpool fans only. With the question regarding which Liverpool player would you not want missing 10/12 games next season. Henderson would probably end up 5th behind Allison, VvD, Mane & Salah. Maybe even 7th behind TAA and Robertson. I wouldn't say Liverpool are weaker when he isn't in the side, but they definitely are weaker without the first 4 names mentioned.
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Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread - Champions of Everything™
« Reply #46412 on: July 29, 2020, 11:57:54 PM »
Henderson is well deserving of any awards coming his way this season. Henderson is the driving force behind a team that has blitzed all before it in the league this season. That should be recognised.  But couldn't have argued if the award had gone to any of Mane, VVD, Trent, Robertson or De Bruyne either.

Some comments about Henderson are simply nuts. Of course he's not the most skilful or talented player in the league but very much a vital and influential player in the Liverpool team who have excelled these past two years. He has consistently done the job he's made for, better than any other player in that position. FFS football is about a team. Liverpool are not quite the same without Henderson. It's how it works, different types and styles of players for different positions. VVD was an essential buy for the defence, without him the last two years success would not happen. Firmino doesn't score like Mane or Salah but the other two need him to function as well as they do. Henderson is that vital cog, the fulcrum of one of Liverpool's best teams. Chances are, if you ask teammates about the best player they've played with he would be near the top.

I'd still suggest that if you set up a  poll of Liverpool fans only. With the question regarding which Liverpool player would you not want missing 10/12 games next season. Henderson would probably end up 5th behind Allison, VvD, Mane & Salah. Maybe even 7th behind TAA and Robertson. I wouldn't say Liverpool are weaker when he isn't in the side, but they definitely are weaker without the first 4 names mentioned.

Having watched every game this season, they were absolutely weaker without him. He more or less allows those more advanced players you mention to do their thing.

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Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread - Champions of Everything™
« Reply #46413 on: July 30, 2020, 04:06:09 PM »
I still maintain him getting sent off in the 93rd minute for a stupid foul against City in the 2013-14 season cost us the league that season.

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Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread - Champions of Everything™
« Reply #46414 on: July 30, 2020, 04:32:22 PM »
Agreed Gabriel. Def didnt help thats for sure

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Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread - Champions of Everything™
« Reply #46415 on: July 30, 2020, 07:05:57 PM »
I still maintain him getting sent off in the 93rd minute for a stupid foul against City in the 2013-14 season cost us the league that season.

He was playing extremely well at that point

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Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread - Champions of Everything™
« Reply #46416 on: July 31, 2020, 12:21:46 AM »
Look it’s simple, great guy good leader and some teams are better for having that type of player... Is he the best player? No. Does he make a team click or perform better, maybe. Is he the best player? Definitely not.

If his peers have voted him the best , ya just have to accept he his.  Wouldn’t be mine but I accept his importance to Liverpool, but if he never played for Liverpool I wouldn’t see Liverpool not winning the league because of it.

Agueru won league for City, Cantona for Utd and Henry/Bergkamp for Arsenal. I’ll overly remember Henderson in that company
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Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread - Champions of Everything™
« Reply #46417 on: July 31, 2020, 09:51:32 AM »
You’re getting too tangled up in it MR2. He was excellent this season and deserved his award. Other players also deserved the award, but he got the votes.

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Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread - Champions of Everything™
« Reply #46418 on: July 31, 2020, 12:04:52 PM »
There's a lot of people too tangled in it....

Scott Parker won it one year ffs, David Ginola got it the year United won the treble... A trinket that's not worth debating too much.

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Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread - Champions of Everything™
« Reply #46419 on: July 31, 2020, 12:08:33 PM »
Ginola was awesome that year though. Scott Parker yeah you have a point.

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Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread - Champions of Everything™
« Reply #46420 on: July 31, 2020, 12:26:49 PM »
I still maintain him getting sent off in the 93rd minute for a stupid foul against City in the 2013-14 season cost us the league that season.
+1.
Have always thought the same thing myself.
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Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread - Champions of Everything™
« Reply #46421 on: July 31, 2020, 01:40:04 PM »
Ginola was awesome that year though. Scott Parker yeah you have a point.

Used to love Ginola.

scott Parker, Not so much.
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Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread - Champions of Everything™
« Reply #46422 on: July 31, 2020, 03:20:53 PM »
There's a lot of people too tangled in it....

Scott Parker won it one year ffs, David Ginola got it the year United won the treble... A trinket that's not worth debating too much.

Had to check that one. But, in fairness, he is definitely an outlier looking at the winners just over the last 20 years - Henry, Ronaldo, Gerrard, Hazard, Suarez, Rooney, Bale, Lampard, Salah.
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Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread - Champions of Everything™
« Reply #46423 on: July 31, 2020, 04:37:19 PM »
In fairness to Parker, there were no players that year who were obviously stand-out performers.

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Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread - Champions of Everything™
« Reply #46424 on: July 31, 2020, 05:39:59 PM »
In fairness to Parker, there were no players that year who were obviously stand-out performers.
Yeah, just had a look at the other awards that year.
Gareth Bale - PFA Player of the Year
Jack Wilshere - PFA Young player of the Year.
Raul Meireles - Fans Player of the Year

Vardy (2016) and Parker (2011) are the only two this decade not to have won any of the other individual trinkets being handed out at this time of the year.  Salah & Suarez the only two pick have a clean sweep of all the awards this decade.
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