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Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread
« Reply #44655 on: November 29, 2019, 12:22:25 PM »
Duckenfield not guilty. Still no justice
Manslaughter was always going to be a very high bar to pin on one individual responsible for policing when inadequate structural facilities and safety planning also contributed to some degree.
Fair point, but 96 people died and nobody in authority can be held accountable?!

Yes, but manslaughter is the wrong charge in crowd control situations involving thousands of people where many people die in tragic circumstances.  The defence can simply point to hundreds of other football games from the time where similar policing policy was followed  and no-one died. Thus the bar of foresight of consequences of actions AND gross negligence are almost impossible to prove. The result is the families feel that the authorities have been vindicated which is not the case.

A criminal charge similar to the civil charge of death due to negligence would be more appropriate which finds that negligent behaviour (not gross negligence) by police or persons of authority leads to death, regardless as to whether they could have reasonably foreseen the deaths.  Such a conviction, even if custodial sentences did not necessarily follow would leave families feeling vindicated, unlike today.

FFS lad, why canít you post well thought out and argued posts like that every day?

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« Reply #44656 on: November 29, 2019, 12:44:55 PM »
Duckenfield not guilty. Still no justice
Manslaughter was always going to be a very high bar to pin on one individual responsible for policing when inadequate structural facilities and safety planning also contributed to some degree.
Fair point, but 96 people died and nobody in authority can be held accountable?!

Yes, but manslaughter is the wrong charge in crowd control situations involving thousands of people where many people die in tragic circumstances.  The defence can simply point to hundreds of other football games from the time where similar policing policy was followed  and no-one died. Thus the bar of foresight of consequences of actions AND gross negligence are almost impossible to prove. The result is the families feel that the authorities have been vindicated which is not the case.

A criminal charge similar to the civil charge of death due to negligence would be more appropriate which finds that negligent behaviour (not gross negligence) by police or persons of authority leads to death, regardless as to whether they could have reasonably foreseen the deaths.  Such a conviction, even if custodial sentences did not necessarily follow would leave families feeling vindicated, unlike today.

FFS lad, why canít you post well thought out and argued posts like that every day?

Obviously taken his medication this week!

On the case its horrible hearing those stories again, 5 live this morning the Liverpool lass has a podcast going on, her great uncle and mother were at the game and she has multiple accounts from survivors and family of the victims, brutal..

Carnage within the tunnel and in the ground one can only imagine
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Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread
« Reply #44657 on: November 29, 2019, 12:46:15 PM »
Duckenfield not guilty. Still no justice

Desperately sad for those families and the people of Liverpool. Will they ever get justice now?

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« Reply #44658 on: November 29, 2019, 01:38:28 PM »
Fabinho out until February.

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« Reply #44659 on: November 29, 2019, 01:53:36 PM »
Fabinho out until February.
Massive loss,  another big injury and Klopp'll need to buy

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« Reply #44660 on: November 30, 2019, 04:58:07 AM »
Fabinho out until February.

I know heís a massive loss but itís probably the area we could best afford to lose someone
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« Reply #44661 on: November 30, 2019, 06:04:34 AM »
Fabinho out until February.
Massive loss,  another big injury and Klopp'll need to buy

No chance he'll buy. It's not Klopp's style to go out and sign stopgaps (other than the mightly Caulker!!). Fab, all being well, will be back by February (although our 8-10 week predictions often turn into 12-14 ones), Henderson, Gini, Keita, Milner, Ox, and Lallana, although not in his class in the defensive midfielder role, is more than ample cover.

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« Reply #44662 on: November 30, 2019, 02:32:26 PM »
Always liked that Jonjo Shelvey fella.....
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« Reply #44663 on: November 30, 2019, 02:36:38 PM »
Another 2 points dropped by City. hopefully we make them pay by picking up three points against Brighton.

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« Reply #44664 on: November 30, 2019, 03:27:52 PM »
25 mins in and VVD is on for a hat trick..   :)
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« Reply #44665 on: November 30, 2019, 04:54:24 PM »
Phew...Alisson will now miss the derby

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« Reply #44666 on: November 30, 2019, 04:55:31 PM »
Christ almighty why can't they just win a game without having to make it difficult on themselves!!
Silly from Becker. Will miss the derby now.

Huge 3 points though with Man City being held today, and Chelsea losing.
Hopefully Leicester do the same tomorrow.
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« Reply #44667 on: November 30, 2019, 04:56:24 PM »
11 points clear of city now. That is all that matters.

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« Reply #44668 on: November 30, 2019, 05:07:37 PM »
Many matches will the big lawd miss?

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« Reply #44669 on: November 30, 2019, 05:16:05 PM »
Many matches will the big lawd miss?

1, but read elsewhere he will play in the derby and miss Bournemouth...no idea if true though
 
Edit...thatís bollocks he misses the bitters game
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