The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread - #DankeJürgen

[The Stallion]

I'm a wee bit surprised so few people have realised Klopp isn't up to the job yet. Seems to escape a lot of criticism due to his personality.

Yeah, you've said that already on the thread.

How the hell can you draw that conclusion after three months, with what is obviously a horribly unbalanced squad, missing three of his four strikers, and a fourth striker who cost a fortune but who is hopelessly ill-suited for the type of players and play around him?

Weren't you the lad telling us a while back that Michael Murphy isn't much of a forward?

A few things which point to the fact he hasn't a clue:

1. Giving Mignolet a new contract
2. Choosing to let Lucas on a football pitch
3. Celebrating a draw like it was a Cup final
4. Buying the awful Caulker and playing him as a striker repeatedly
5. Thinking it's a good idea to play Milner, Lucas and Henderson in a winnable game at home.


A decent manager would have Liverpool a lot closer to fourth, even with the dross in the squad.

[laoislad]

We should sack him.

[blewuporstuffed]

We should sack him.

Definitely, maybe Liverpool  could approach The Stallion if he is free?

[AZOffaly]

We should sack him.

Sacking is too good for him. He's been found out in the premier league. This is not that poxy German league where you only have to beat minnows like Bayern Munich.

[The Stallion]

I agree he should be sacked. Tactics, performances and transfer/contract activity to date have been generally awful.

However I'm not available to replace him. Thanks for thinking of me though.

[blewuporstuffed]

Liverpool press conference on at the minute
from the bbc:

"No sign of any new players at Liverpool but boss Jurgen Klopp has provided some good news in his news conference just now - striker Daniel Sturridge is set to return to full training next week."

[AZOffaly]

Liverpool press conference on at the minute
from the bbc:

"No sign of any new players at Liverpool but boss Jurgen Klopp has provided some good news in his news conference just now - striker Daniel Sturridge is set to return to full training next week."

How is that good news?

[heganboy]

ter Stegen would have been nice, I'm not a fan of our current goalie options. I don't like the idea of any of the ex MUFC guys. Don't see any of the other names as likely, though Cahill would have been a decent fit. I get the feeling that it's going to be a blank window and then a big push in the summer. Matip has signed new terms- so he's going to be expensive. Teixiera seems to be silly money at this point.

I think by not going crazy in this window, Klopp has actually positioned himself as a players manager, someone who will work with and develop players.

Man CIty's stroke of genius announcing today has precluded top names from taking a last minute bid to the PL or even any of the other global clubs. I imagine that has had an impact on MU and Chelsea targets in the PL and other big Italian, German and Spanish (and Catalan and Basque) clubs.

I think the progression of the so called mid table teams this year will ensure the biggest summer transfer window ever. The big clubs will have to bring in brand name players to make the impact that they need in the global marketing arena.  Liverpool in particular, Gerrard was a global name in the sport, and realistically Coutinho who didn't make the last Brazil squad in the next best thing. Klopp is the brand name, and is recognized as one of the top 4 managers in the world, he will draw the players.

However Pep will draw players, and has virtually an unlimited budget so have Barca and Real. This takes MCFC with those two to the pinnacle of global clubs, and really puts them as the most attractive club in the PL.  That means that Liverpool need to break the bank for 2/3 key players to build a platform that will allow Klopp to make an impact next year (CL qualification), but more realistically challenge for the league 2017/18.

In order to do that, those 2/3 key players and Klopp need to be as attractive as possible for the global audience for funding the club, and for key players brand and personal image rights to attract them to a world recognized team (not just a club). No easy task...

[thewobbler]

All very sensible Heganboy.

But if anything approaching a world class "brand" player is willing to come to the EPL, then his agent is going to knock on Chelsea, City, United and Arsenal first. And I'm genuinely not trolling when I say that there is nothing that Liverpool can offer him that can't be improved by those other sides. That's just a footballing fact in 2016. Guarantees of money and / or success are significantly better elsewhere.

So I don't honestly think that buying a brand is even an option for Liverpool in the next 2-3 years. They've got to find another Suarez, Alonso and Hyppia, then piggyback on what they bring. Which I do believe is what the transfer committee have spent 3 years trying to do, but haven't managed it.

[heganboy]

But if anything approaching a world class "brand" player is willing to come to the EPL, then his agent is going to knock on Chelsea, City, United and Arsenal first.

Agreed on that- however if LFC make the right bid there for that calibre of player- for those 2/3 then the game changes with Klopp.

Not sure that Arsenal or United currently have that wow factor any more than marginally ahead of Liverpool, and Chelsea is a wait and see model too. MCFC have just made a massive move...

edit- and the just announced 150M quid available.
also see Cheryshev went to Valencia- great move by Neville- he would have been a great acquisition for most PL teams- not Liverpool though

[heganboy]

But if anything approaching a world class "brand" player is willing to come to the EPL, then his agent is going to knock on Chelsea, City, United and Arsenal first.

Agreed on that- however if LFC make the right bid there for that calibre of player- for those 2/3 then the game changes with Klopp.

Not sure that Arsenal or United currently have that wow factor any more than marginally ahead of Liverpool, and Chelsea is a wait and see model too. MCFC have just made a massive move...

edit- and MCFC just announced 150M quid available to Pep.

also see Cheryshev went to Valencia- great move by Neville- he would have been a great acquisition for most PL teams- not Liverpool though

[gawa316]

Coutinho, Skrtel, Origi and dare I tempt fate and say Sturridge all back training by the end of the week. I'd be doing everything I can to have Sturridge for the final and anything else is a bonus at this point!

[The Stallion]

I imagine Sturridge will play a bit more often now in order to secure a spot in the Euros squad.

Origi is woeful. Complete waste of money.

[thewobbler]

But if anything approaching a world class "brand" player is willing to come to the EPL, then his agent is going to knock on Chelsea, City, United and Arsenal first.

Agreed on that- however if LFC make the right bid there for that calibre of player- for those 2/3 then the game changes with Klopp.

Not sure that Arsenal or United currently have that wow factor any more than marginally ahead of Liverpool, and Chelsea is a wait and see model too. MCFC have just made a massive move...

edit- and MCFC just announced 150M quid available to Pep.

also see Cheryshev went to Valencia- great move by Neville- he would have been a great acquisition for most PL teams- not Liverpool though

Problem is Heganboy, you aren't looking at it objectively.

In the past 3 seasons, Arsenal bought Ozil and Sanchez from established positions in the world's two biggest clubs.

United did likewise with Di Maria, and pulled in Schweiny from Bayern and Mata from Chelsea, and bought in the form of Depay, Blind, Rojo, some of the stars of the recent World Cup. Thankfully none of who had worked out.

Both clubs also do a bit of raping of the lower PL clubs, but they can still draw from a higher pool.

Liverpool haven't done so in years. Instead Southampton and West Ham players have been going north to be found out.

[heganboy]

Problem is Heganboy, you aren't looking at it objectively.

I wholeheartedly agree!

while a few of the names you mention are close to the level I was (blindly) hoping for, not all, for me, would count. Ozil, Di Maria and Sanchez are definitely recognizable names and are of the global names level that Liverpool would do well to recruit, though Ozil maybe the only unqualified success. Liverpool's recent transfers have been at best tier 2, though more tier 3 if we are removing the blinkers. Klopp clearly has the name to attract players that Brendan did not, but those key players will be hard come by. The summer will see what we have in store for the next few years...