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Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread
« Reply #44415 on: October 21, 2019, 07:45:55 AM »
Itís a non contact sport now so itís probably a free kick.
Exactly my thinking. The game has changed a lot in recent years, any slight touch is not allowed. Anyone who ever played a game of football would be saying ďffs, youíre not getting thatĒ.

J70, to suggest that it was sore, review with a clear head please.

Youíre entitled to your opinion. I disagree. Kick to the calf is sore. Or maybe Iíve a lower pain threshold than yourself.

That free gets given every weekend in the Premier League.
A kick to the calf could be sore. Someone lightly tapping you on the calf isnít. Although, I think you know this.


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Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread
« Reply #44416 on: October 21, 2019, 07:51:34 AM »
Decent point given how Liverpool played. On paper that was in the top 3-4 hardest games all year and it is a sign of how far Liverpool have come that its disappointing only to take a point from OT when they play poorly. United are nowhere near as bad as is being made out and I expect them to rise up the table pretty quickly.

There is a lack of creativity in midfield when teams sit back against Liverpool and try to play on the break. Keita/Ox may give more attacking options and will get into the box more but they are less defensively minded. On the VAR no issue obviously with the Mane one, thats they way the rules are so fair enough. I On the MU goal I cannot see why the onfield ref doesn't check that himself. It was borderline and I can see why a ref in a studio does not want to overrule but how much longer would it take to go to the side of the pitch and review. There was much more blatant decisons on Saturday not overruled. Having seen VAR in action this year I actually think  it should be limited to factual checks e.g. offside rather than anything that has a level of subjectivity.

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Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread
« Reply #44417 on: October 21, 2019, 09:01:00 AM »
Decent point given how Liverpool played. On paper that was in the top 3-4 hardest games all year and it is a sign of how far Liverpool have come that its disappointing only to take a point from OT when they play poorly. United are nowhere near as bad as is being made out and I expect them to rise up the table pretty quickly.

There is a lack of creativity in midfield when teams sit back against Liverpool and try to play on the break. Keita/Ox may give more attacking options and will get into the box more but they are less defensively minded. On the VAR no issue obviously with the Mane one, thats they way the rules are so fair enough. I On the MU goal I cannot see why the onfield ref doesn't check that himself. It was borderline and I can see why a ref in a studio does not want to overrule but how much longer would it take to go to the side of the pitch and review. There was much more blatant decisons on Saturday not overruled. Having seen VAR in action this year I actually think  it should be limited to factual checks e.g. offside rather than anything that has a level of subjectivity.


The ref was close enough at the time of the tap on calf to believe his own original judgement I assume, he made the call (rightly or wrongly depending..) and moved on, VAR being introduced wont always mean its correct, its just asking the question, were you correct on that call? he said yes.

 These calls have a way of evening out over the year, some go your way and some don't
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Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread
« Reply #44418 on: October 21, 2019, 09:39:51 AM »
Decent point given how Liverpool played. On paper that was in the top 3-4 hardest games all year and it is a sign of how far Liverpool have come that its disappointing only to take a point from OT when they play poorly.

As Klopp said afterwards, everything went against us but we still didn't lose.
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Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread
« Reply #44419 on: October 21, 2019, 10:19:28 AM »
Historically United always have been difficult, no matter how good we were and shite they were. We are 9 games into the season, 1/4 of the way through the season, are unbeaten, on top by 6 points and have a few tough games gone. United away is always one of the hardest games of the year. A number of tough games between now and playing City in November so it will be crucial to get a win against Genk during the week and Spurs next weekend.

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Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread
« Reply #44420 on: October 21, 2019, 10:44:46 AM »
Itís a non contact sport now so itís probably a free kick.
Exactly my thinking. The game has changed a lot in recent years, any slight touch is not allowed. Anyone who ever played a game of football would be saying ďffs, youíre not getting thatĒ.

J70, to suggest that it was sore, review with a clear head please.

Youíre entitled to your opinion. I disagree. Kick to the calf is sore. Or maybe Iíve a lower pain threshold than yourself.

That free gets given every weekend in the Premier League.
A kick to the calf could be sore. Someone lightly tapping you on the calf isnít. Although, I think you know this.

It happened in real time, not slow motion replay.

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Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread
« Reply #44421 on: October 21, 2019, 11:42:25 AM »
Not sure how kicking someone in the back of the leg, nowhere near the ball, isn't a free kick, but anyway.  The ref seemed to have his sight of it blocked.  The bigger issue was that we didn't really get going until the second half.  A lot of that was down to Manu's good work in harrying, sitting deep and generally making life hard, esp for both full-backs.  From the match stats  we were the dominant team, but in open play a draw was as much as Liverpool deserved on the day.
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Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread
« Reply #44422 on: October 21, 2019, 12:01:59 PM »
They didn't what every under aged team is taught.  Play to the whistle
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Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread
« Reply #44423 on: October 21, 2019, 12:45:14 PM »
Henderson was very poor today. Team got much better when Ox and Lallana came in. And Liverpool got very little joy down the right - Salah definitely missed, not least due to the knock-on effect of the changes, although Origi did well for the first half hour (I scarcely remember him after that).

What did you expect, sure didn't the lad get the shin/calf kicked clean off him.

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Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread
« Reply #44424 on: October 21, 2019, 01:23:13 PM »
Itís a non contact sport now so itís probably a free kick.
Exactly my thinking. The game has changed a lot in recent years, any slight touch is not allowed. Anyone who ever played a game of football would be saying ďffs, youíre not getting thatĒ.

J70, to suggest that it was sore, review with a clear head please.

Youíre entitled to your opinion. I disagree. Kick to the calf is sore. Or maybe Iíve a lower pain threshold than yourself.

That free gets given every weekend in the Premier League.
A kick to the calf could be sore. Someone lightly tapping you on the calf isnít. Although, I think you know this.

It happened in real time, not slow motion replay.
Invisible in real time and definitely not enough contact to effect the dramatic fall to ground. Most probably the ref did not deem it enough contact  for a foul (probably the fall was deemed overly dramatic) and let the game proceed, not as Klopp claimed that the ref let the game  proceed on the provisio that he could call on a review should anything transpire.

But one thing missing is that the ref himself  should review the incident on video.

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Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread
« Reply #44425 on: October 21, 2019, 01:34:59 PM »
Linekar has called Origi out as a pathetic diving wuss. Gaz should know.

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Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread
« Reply #44426 on: October 21, 2019, 01:38:44 PM »
Not a fan of VAR as I've said on here several times before and personally would be be happy to see both goals allowed based on what the ref saw or didn't see. But in a world where VAR does exist anyone that doesn't know why United goal stood and Liverpool's didnt doesn't understand how VAR works. 

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Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread
« Reply #44427 on: October 21, 2019, 02:06:39 PM »
Historically United always have been difficult, no matter how good we were and shite they were. We are 9 games into the season, 1/4 of the way through the season, are unbeaten, on top by 6 points and have a few tough games gone. United away is always one of the hardest games of the year. A number of tough games between now and playing City in November so it will be crucial to get a win against Genk during the week and Spurs next weekend.

Should be no probs in beating both teams. Spurs are having a torrid run of form.
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Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread
« Reply #44428 on: October 21, 2019, 02:14:23 PM »
Not a fan of VAR as I've said on here several times before and personally would be be happy to see both goals allowed based on what the ref saw or didn't see. But in a world where VAR does exist anyone that doesn't know why United goal stood and Liverpool's didnt doesn't understand how VAR works.

Mane goal was correctly disallowed under the ridiculous current interpretation of handball. And under the handball rules, itís a straightforward did it touch his hand or not?

Origi foul came down to whether VAR review showed a clear or obvious or whatever the term is error on the part of the ref. Did to me. Some of the pundits too. Plenty others disagree, not least on here. And therein lies the issue. Some things in sports are not black and white and will always cause dispute. The handball rule, much as I personally hate it and consider it unfair, is pretty clear.

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Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread
« Reply #44429 on: October 21, 2019, 02:18:37 PM »
Not a fan of VAR as I've said on here several times before and personally would be be happy to see both goals allowed based on what the ref saw or didn't see. But in a world where VAR does exist anyone that doesn't know why United goal stood and Liverpool's didnt doesn't understand how VAR works.

Mane goal was correctly disallowed under the ridiculous current interpretation of handball. And under the handball rules, itís a straightforward did it touch his hand or not?

Origi foul came down to whether VAR review showed a clear or obvious or whatever the term is error on the part of the ref. Did to me. Some of the pundits too. Plenty others disagree, not least on here. And therein lies the issue. Some things in sports are not black and white and will always cause dispute. The handball rule, much as I personally hate it and consider it unfair, is pretty clear.

So we agree then  :)