The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread - #DankeJürgen

[brokencrossbar1]

The reality is that the British teams as a whole,  and I include the great 1 horse race team in that, are not good enough for Europe.  Now if they treat the home games like PL games and put out stronger teams then we could win this competition but I really think that there needs to be change soon.  BR is not the man. 

[AZOffaly]

The reality is that the British teams as a whole,  and I include the great 1 horse race team in that, are not good enough for Europe.  Now if they treat the home games like PL games and put out stronger teams then we could win this competition but I really think that there needs to be change soon.  BR is not the man.

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Unfortunately I agree with you. I hoped he would really turn the screw in the pre season and have a go with an up-tempo pressing, aggressive game. Instead it's pedestrian, slow, and dare I say it, cowardly. Players like Ibe and Lallana, are just hesitant in possession, looking for the easy option. It was striking that the first time Lallana went instinctively, because he was under pressure, he produced something really good. That shows that he has some talent, but they seem to be wearing a strait jacket at the moment. The contrast when someone like Coutinho gets the ball and shows positivity, because it hasn't been drained from him yet, is marked. It's so stagnant, predictable and slow with the other players, and thats the way it was last year too. It's a pity, but I think Rodgers has lost confidence in himself, and the team, and is trying to scrape through. That's not a sustainable approach.

No-one would suggest Liverpool are world beaters, but they have good players, and a change in mentality and approach to the games would lead to significantly better performances I think.

[Armamike]

The reality is that the British teams as a whole,  and I include the great 1 horse race team in that, are not good enough for Europe.  Now if they treat the home games like PL games and put out stronger teams then we could win this competition but I really think that there needs to be change soon.  BR is not the man.

`

Unfortunately I agree with you. I hoped he would really turn the screw in the pre season and have a go with an up-tempo pressing, aggressive game. Instead it's pedestrian, slow, and dare I say it, cowardly. Players like Ibe and Lallana, are just hesitant in possession, looking for the easy option. It was striking that the first time Lallana went instinctively, because he was under pressure, he produced something really good. That shows that he has some talent, but they seem to be wearing a strait jacket at the moment. The contrast when someone like Coutinho gets the ball and shows positivity, because it hasn't been drained from him yet, is marked. It's so stagnant, predictable and slow with the other players, and thats the way it was last year too. It's a pity, but I think Rodgers has lost confidence in himself, and the team, and is trying to scrape through. That's not a sustainable approach.

No-one would suggest Liverpool are world beaters, but they have good players, and a change in mentality and approach to the games would lead to significantly better performances I think.

Agree with all of this. The term cowardly sprang to my mind after the Man u game.  The players were cowardly in possession in going for the safe option at all times, and Brendan was cowardly in his approach to the game.  The likes of Swansea go to OT and have a go but he apparently didn't rate our chances on Saturday.  I think his fear transmitted to the players and they were scared to pass the ball. 

Saurez dragged this team along with him.  The overall drop in intensity, pressing and speed of play is amazing since he left.  Suarez offered a directness to the play that i'm not sure Brendan would have come up with otherwise.  It shows how one truly world class player can be the difference between first/second or 7th in this league.  Says a lot really about the quality of the PL.

[supersub]

The reality is that the British teams as a whole,  and I include the great 1 horse race team in that, are not good enough for Europe.  Now if they treat the home games like PL games and put out stronger teams then we could win this competition but I really think that there needs to be change soon.  BR is not the man.

`

Unfortunately I agree with you. I hoped he would really turn the screw in the pre season and have a go with an up-tempo pressing, aggressive game. Instead it's pedestrian, slow, and dare I say it, cowardly. Players like Ibe and Lallana, are just hesitant in possession, looking for the easy option. It was striking that the first time Lallana went instinctively, because he was under pressure, he produced something really good. That shows that he has some talent, but they seem to be wearing a strait jacket at the moment. The contrast when someone like Coutinho gets the ball and shows positivity, because it hasn't been drained from him yet, is marked. It's so stagnant, predictable and slow with the other players, and thats the way it was last year too. It's a pity, but I think Rodgers has lost confidence in himself, and the team, and is trying to scrape through. That's not a sustainable approach.

No-one would suggest Liverpool are world beaters, but they have good players, and a change in mentality and approach to the games would lead to significantly better performances I think.

Agree with all of this. The term cowardly sprang to my mind after the Man u game.  The players were cowardly in possession in going for the safe option at all times, and Brendan was cowardly in his approach to the game.  The likes of Swansea go to OT and have a go but he apparently didn't rate our chances on Saturday.  I think his fear transmitted to the players and they were scared to pass the ball. 

Saurez dragged this team along with him.  The overall drop in intensity, pressing and speed of play is amazing since he left.  Suarez offered a directness to the play that i'm not sure Brendan would have come up with otherwise.  It shows how one truly world class player can be the difference between first/second or 7th in this league.  Says a lot really about the quality of the PL.

Or the quality of Suarez

[Milltown Row2]

The reality is that the British teams as a whole,  and I include the great 1 horse race team in that, are not good enough for Europe.  Now if they treat the home games like PL games and put out stronger teams then we could win this competition but I really think that there needs to be change soon.  BR is not the man.

`

Unfortunately I agree with you. I hoped he would really turn the screw in the pre season and have a go with an up-tempo pressing, aggressive game. Instead it's pedestrian, slow, and dare I say it, cowardly. Players like Ibe and Lallana, are just hesitant in possession, looking for the easy option. It was striking that the first time Lallana went instinctively, because he was under pressure, he produced something really good. That shows that he has some talent, but they seem to be wearing a strait jacket at the moment. The contrast when someone like Coutinho gets the ball and shows positivity, because it hasn't been drained from him yet, is marked. It's so stagnant, predictable and slow with the other players, and thats the way it was last year too. It's a pity, but I think Rodgers has lost confidence in himself, and the team, and is trying to scrape through. That's not a sustainable approach.

No-one would suggest Liverpool are world beaters, but they have good players, and a change in mentality and approach to the games would lead to significantly better performances I think.

Agree with all of this. The term cowardly sprang to my mind after the Man u game.  The players were cowardly in possession in going for the safe option at all times, and Brendan was cowardly in his approach to the game.  The likes of Swansea go to OT and have a go but he apparently didn't rate our chances on Saturday.  I think his fear transmitted to the players and they were scared to pass the ball. 

Saurez dragged this team along with him.  The overall drop in intensity, pressing and speed of play is amazing since he left.  Suarez offered a directness to the play that i'm not sure Brendan would have come up with otherwise.  It shows how one truly world class player can be the difference between first/second or 7th in this league.  Says a lot really about the quality of the PL.

Or the quality of Suarez

What did you win with Suarez?

[supersub]

The reality is that the British teams as a whole,  and I include the great 1 horse race team in that, are not good enough for Europe.  Now if they treat the home games like PL games and put out stronger teams then we could win this competition but I really think that there needs to be change soon.  BR is not the man.

`

Unfortunately I agree with you. I hoped he would really turn the screw in the pre season and have a go with an up-tempo pressing, aggressive game. Instead it's pedestrian, slow, and dare I say it, cowardly. Players like Ibe and Lallana, are just hesitant in possession, looking for the easy option. It was striking that the first time Lallana went instinctively, because he was under pressure, he produced something really good. That shows that he has some talent, but they seem to be wearing a strait jacket at the moment. The contrast when someone like Coutinho gets the ball and shows positivity, because it hasn't been drained from him yet, is marked. It's so stagnant, predictable and slow with the other players, and thats the way it was last year too. It's a pity, but I think Rodgers has lost confidence in himself, and the team, and is trying to scrape through. That's not a sustainable approach.

No-one would suggest Liverpool are world beaters, but they have good players, and a change in mentality and approach to the games would lead to significantly better performances I think.

Agree with all of this. The term cowardly sprang to my mind after the Man u game.  The players were cowardly in possession in going for the safe option at all times, and Brendan was cowardly in his approach to the game.  The likes of Swansea go to OT and have a go but he apparently didn't rate our chances on Saturday.  I think his fear transmitted to the players and they were scared to pass the ball. 

Saurez dragged this team along with him.  The overall drop in intensity, pressing and speed of play is amazing since he left.  Suarez offered a directness to the play that i'm not sure Brendan would have come up with otherwise.  It shows how one truly world class player can be the difference between first/second or 7th in this league.  Says a lot really about the quality of the PL.

Or the quality of Suarez

What did you win with Suarez?

Nothing - who said anything about that? The statement was about the difference one world class player makes between 1st/2nd or 7th in the league, and that was it. Suarez was the difference. Whether Liverpool won anything or not is irrelevant in this instance.

[Armamike]

The reality is that the British teams as a whole,  and I include the great 1 horse race team in that, are not good enough for Europe.  Now if they treat the home games like PL games and put out stronger teams then we could win this competition but I really think that there needs to be change soon.  BR is not the man.

`

Unfortunately I agree with you. I hoped he would really turn the screw in the pre season and have a go with an up-tempo pressing, aggressive game. Instead it's pedestrian, slow, and dare I say it, cowardly. Players like Ibe and Lallana, are just hesitant in possession, looking for the easy option. It was striking that the first time Lallana went instinctively, because he was under pressure, he produced something really good. That shows that he has some talent, but they seem to be wearing a strait jacket at the moment. The contrast when someone like Coutinho gets the ball and shows positivity, because it hasn't been drained from him yet, is marked. It's so stagnant, predictable and slow with the other players, and thats the way it was last year too. It's a pity, but I think Rodgers has lost confidence in himself, and the team, and is trying to scrape through. That's not a sustainable approach.

No-one would suggest Liverpool are world beaters, but they have good players, and a change in mentality and approach to the games would lead to significantly better performances I think.

Agree with all of this. The term cowardly sprang to my mind after the Man u game.  The players were cowardly in possession in going for the safe option at all times, and Brendan was cowardly in his approach to the game.  The likes of Swansea go to OT and have a go but he apparently didn't rate our chances on Saturday.  I think his fear transmitted to the players and they were scared to pass the ball. 

Saurez dragged this team along with him.  The overall drop in intensity, pressing and speed of play is amazing since he left.  Suarez offered a directness to the play that i'm not sure Brendan would have come up with otherwise.  It shows how one truly world class player can be the difference between first/second or 7th in this league.  Says a lot really about the quality of the PL.

Or the quality of Suarez

What did you win with Suarez?

I'm sure you get the point!

[AZOffaly]

They *did* win a League Cup with Suarez, under KK, I believe We'd take it now!

[J70]

The reality is that the British teams as a whole,  and I include the great 1 horse race team in that, are not good enough for Europe.  Now if they treat the home games like PL games and put out stronger teams then we could win this competition but I really think that there needs to be change soon.  BR is not the man.

`

Unfortunately I agree with you. I hoped he would really turn the screw in the pre season and have a go with an up-tempo pressing, aggressive game. Instead it's pedestrian, slow, and dare I say it, cowardly. Players like Ibe and Lallana, are just hesitant in possession, looking for the easy option. It was striking that the first time Lallana went instinctively, because he was under pressure, he produced something really good. That shows that he has some talent, but they seem to be wearing a strait jacket at the moment. The contrast when someone like Coutinho gets the ball and shows positivity, because it hasn't been drained from him yet, is marked. It's so stagnant, predictable and slow with the other players, and thats the way it was last year too. It's a pity, but I think Rodgers has lost confidence in himself, and the team, and is trying to scrape through. That's not a sustainable approach.

No-one would suggest Liverpool are world beaters, but they have good players, and a change in mentality and approach to the games would lead to significantly better performances I think.

Agree with all of this. The term cowardly sprang to my mind after the Man u game.  The players were cowardly in possession in going for the safe option at all times, and Brendan was cowardly in his approach to the game.  The likes of Swansea go to OT and have a go but he apparently didn't rate our chances on Saturday.  I think his fear transmitted to the players and they were scared to pass the ball. 

Saurez dragged this team along with him.  The overall drop in intensity, pressing and speed of play is amazing since he left.  Suarez offered a directness to the play that i'm not sure Brendan would have come up with otherwise.  It shows how one truly world class player can be the difference between first/second or 7th in this league.  Says a lot really about the quality of the PL.

Or the quality of Suarez

What did you win with Suarez?

Are you suggesting the fact that they fell a point short of winning the league diminishes what Suarez achieved that season?

[Milltown Row2]

The reality is that the British teams as a whole,  and I include the great 1 horse race team in that, are not good enough for Europe.  Now if they treat the home games like PL games and put out stronger teams then we could win this competition but I really think that there needs to be change soon.  BR is not the man.

`

Unfortunately I agree with you. I hoped he would really turn the screw in the pre season and have a go with an up-tempo pressing, aggressive game. Instead it's pedestrian, slow, and dare I say it, cowardly. Players like Ibe and Lallana, are just hesitant in possession, looking for the easy option. It was striking that the first time Lallana went instinctively, because he was under pressure, he produced something really good. That shows that he has some talent, but they seem to be wearing a strait jacket at the moment. The contrast when someone like Coutinho gets the ball and shows positivity, because it hasn't been drained from him yet, is marked. It's so stagnant, predictable and slow with the other players, and thats the way it was last year too. It's a pity, but I think Rodgers has lost confidence in himself, and the team, and is trying to scrape through. That's not a sustainable approach.

No-one would suggest Liverpool are world beaters, but they have good players, and a change in mentality and approach to the games would lead to significantly better performances I think.

Agree with all of this. The term cowardly sprang to my mind after the Man u game.  The players were cowardly in possession in going for the safe option at all times, and Brendan was cowardly in his approach to the game.  The likes of Swansea go to OT and have a go but he apparently didn't rate our chances on Saturday.  I think his fear transmitted to the players and they were scared to pass the ball. 

Saurez dragged this team along with him.  The overall drop in intensity, pressing and speed of play is amazing since he left.  Suarez offered a directness to the play that i'm not sure Brendan would have come up with otherwise.  It shows how one truly world class player can be the difference between first/second or 7th in this league.  Says a lot really about the quality of the PL.

Or the quality of Suarez

What did you win with Suarez?

Are you suggesting the fact that they fell a point short of winning the league diminishes what Suarez achieved that season?

One point might as well be twenty... Utd lost 3/4 leagues by a point and one on 1 more goal difference... They might as well lost by 20..

How the knives come out when it starts to go tits up in the premiership!! Brendan's ship has sailed. Like most people in working life you start to go stale and possibly another opportunity elsewhere will do him good... Unfortunately for Liverpool a new manager will bring at least another two barren years of title misery

[AZOffaly]

Sure what's two more years? We'd survive barren years if there was incremental progress.

[Milltown Row2]

Sure what's two more years? We'd survive barren years if there was incremental progress.

I'd say Utd and Liverpool would need a sugar daddy to come in and fill the bank before they win another title again... no competing with the big money teams... that includes Arsenal

[Armamike]

I'd take 2 years gladly!  I'd take 5 years, if there were signs of progress year on year.  There's been too much change of personnel in Rodgers' time. Can't build towards a team with so many coming and going, and systems chopping and changing.

[Armamike]

Sure what's two more years? We'd survive barren years if there was incremental progress.

I'd say Utd and Liverpool would need a sugar daddy to come in and fill the bank before they win another title again... no competing with the big money teams... that includes Arsenal

Agreed. Or find a genius manager. The sugar daddy option is the more realistic of the two.

[AZOffaly]

I see Sahko has signed a new deal. I'm glad about that, I was afraid he'd fallen out of favour, would be sold in January, and there'd be another signing to come in.

The squad Liverpool have is good enough to be competing for 4th if they played with a bit of ambition and spirit. The equivalent of a pet dog sitting cringing waiting to be kicked is more what they are like at the moment.