Once again.....Ireland's Call....

[Roger]

i'm not trying to catch you out but when was this? and back in the day, did they use GSTQ?

I don't know but AFAIK they used to just play the National Anthem. I think the same was in rugby too for Scotland anyway.

[Hardy]

Giving the whole nonsense of anthems the respect it deserves:

(From Wiki) Swansea poet Nigel Jenkins wrote an English phonetic version of the first verse of the Welsh National Anthem for the benefit of English speakers, said to be largely inconspicuous in chorus as long as one doesn't smile:

    My hen laid a haddock, one hand oiled a flea,
    Glad farts and centurions threw dogs in the sea,
    I could stew a hare here and brandish Dan's flan,
    Don's ruddy bog's blocked up with sand.

    Dad! Dad! Why don't you oil Auntie Glad?
    Can whores appear in beer bottle pies,
    O butter the hens as they fly!

[Main Street]

It does have rhythm

[AZOffaly]

I love the Welsh Anthem. Some Anthems are class before games, especially rugby, which seems to be a game naturally disposed to being a substitute for actual warfare, which is why I love the Haka.

I like the Marseillaise, Flower of Scotland and Land of our Fathers.

In non rugby terms, I also like Oh Canada, especially before Ice Hockey matches.

[mikerob]

i'm not trying to catch you out but when was this? and back in the day, did they use GSTQ?

Certainly in the 1980s, the Scotland Rugby team used to have Scotland the Brave and GSTQ before their games.  Nobody knows the words of Scotland the Brave and the Scots increasingly used to boo GSTQ.  When it was Scotland v Wales, both sets of supporters booed GSTQ so loudly that you could hardly hear it. That got very embarassing for the SRU as Princess Anne goes to all their home games and the crowd were slagging off her ma. The SRU then decided (sometime in the 90s) to replace GSTQ and STB with Flower of Scotland which had become the team's de facto anthem.

[balladmaker]

So after all the meandering that has been done on this thread, can some answer me a simple question please?

Why does the Irish National Anthem not get treated with equality along side Ireland's Call?  It obviously does not, since the latter is played at both home and away games, and the official Anthem of Ireland is dropped for away games? 

Either play both, or play none.

[milltown row]

i'm not trying to catch you out but when was this? and back in the day, did they use GSTQ?

Certainly in the 1980s, the Scotland Rugby team used to have Scotland the Brave and GSTQ before their games.  Nobody knows the words of Scotland the Brave and the Scots increasingly used to boo GSTQ.  When it was Scotland v Wales, both sets of supporters booed GSTQ so loudly that you could hardly hear it. That got very embarassing for the SRU as Princess Anne goes to all their home games and the crowd were slagging off her ma. The SRU then decided (sometime in the 90s) to replace GSTQ and STB with Flower of Scotland which had become the team's de facto anthem.
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thanks mikerob. was it the same for the soccer  games?  did the Welsh/Scottish do their own or GSTQ for internationals. dates again would be nice

[Hardy]

Nobody knows the words of Scotland the Brave

Come where the hands are clappin,
Come where the lips are flappin,
Come where the jocks are strappin
Knives to their legs.

Land of the blooming heather,
Land of the freezing weather,
Land of the ginger headers
And fried chocolate eggs.

Up flies ma kilt ho-ho;
See, see ma thighs aglow,
Varicose veins and the answer to the long-asked question ...

And so on.

[mikerob]

thanks mikerob. was it the same for the soccer  games?  did the Welsh/Scottish do their own or GSTQ for internationals. dates again would be nice

I don't know - I'm not a soccer fan!

[mikerob]

Why does the Irish National Anthem not get treated with equality along side Ireland's Call? 

Because it isn't equal. Like it or not, Irelands Call is used to represent the Irish Rugby Football Union in its entirety. A NA B doesn't do that.

[Main Street]

So after all the meandering that has been done on this thread, can some answer me a simple question please?

Why does the Irish National Anthem not get treated with equality along side Ireland's Call?  It obviously does not, since the latter is played at both home and away games, and the official Anthem of Ireland is dropped for away games? 

It is entirely your interpretation that not playing AnbF outside the jurisdiction of the Republic is evidence of a respect issue.

The IRFU policy does not imply more respect for one than the other but instead Irelands Call is deemed more appropriate outside the jurisdiction than AnbF to use as an anthem for the team.
It is the IRFU´s version of a compromise, attempting to address an acknowledgement that the game in Ireland has 2 strong traditions, (one more equal than the other)

If you followed the thread, the IRFU with their current policy actually offer more respect to the playing of  AnbF than GSTQ.

At most, when the president attends, as she is very prone to do, it is a dignified mark of respect to play the presidential salute.
Other than that, there is little rational justification to continue with AnbF.

Either play both, or play none.

There are a  third and fourth options.
Only play Irelands Call at all games home and away
Or only play another acceptable song at all games.


edit,
you may have been under the misapprehension that Irelands Call has something representative specific connection to the Unionist tradition

[balladmaker]

you may have been under the misapprehension that Irelands Call has something representative specific connection to the Unionist tradition

No, not at all, and I think you would need to have a seriously bigoted mind to come to that conclusion.  But what I do have a problem with is the dropping of the National Anthem at away games, and even more so, lame attempts at trying to excuse the fact as to why it should be dropped.   

[whiskeysteve]

I'd rather have the anthem but Ireland's Call is a decent gesture to make to our unionist brethren

How magnanimous of you Rav

[mikerob]

you may have been under the misapprehension that Irelands Call has something representative specific connection to the Unionist tradition

No, not at all, and I think you would need to have a seriously bigoted mind to come to that conclusion.  But what I do have a problem with is the dropping of the National Anthem at away games, and even more so, lame attempts at trying to excuse the fact as to why it should be dropped.   

You can't be "dropped" if you've never played in the first place.  A na b has never been played for Ireland's away games.

[GalwayBayBoy]

you may have been under the misapprehension that Irelands Call has something representative specific connection to the Unionist tradition

No, not at all, and I think you would need to have a seriously bigoted mind to come to that conclusion.  But what I do have a problem with is the dropping of the National Anthem at away games, and even more so, lame attempts at trying to excuse the fact as to why it should be dropped.   

Ireland's Call is the official anthem of the Irish rugby union (encompassing both north and south). AnbF is played in Dublin in deference to the game being hosted in Dublin (usually).