How is Division 2 Decided?

[Maguire01]

Monaghan win/draw and Dublin win/draw = both go through
Monaghan win and Dublin lose = Monaghan through, Dublin and Meath to play again to decide (as ludicrous as that sounds!)
Monaghan lose and Dublin lose = Westmeath through, the other 3 to play-off
Monaghan lose and Dublin win = Westmeath and Dublin through

I think that's all the possible scenarios.
Basically, 3 teams have their destiny in their own hands;  Meath have to win and Westmeath to beat Monaghan if Meath have any hope.

[Croí na hÉireann]

Monaghan win/draw and Dublin win/draw = both go through
Monaghan win and Dublin lose = Monaghan through, Dublin and Meath to play again to decide (as ludicrous as that sounds!)
Monaghan lose and Dublin lose = Westmeath through, the other 3 to play-off
Monaghan lose and Dublin win = Westmeath and Dublin through

I think that's all the possible scenarios.
Basically, 3 teams have their destiny in their own hands;  Meath have to win and Westmeath to beat Monaghan if Meath have any hope.

Wrong on the highlighted scenario. Since Dublin and Meath both didn't play Cork then points difference would decide who finishes second.

Another scenario u didn't include is if Westmeath draw and Dublin lose, then it's Westmeath, Dublin and Meath in to a 3 team play-off.

[Main Street]

Another scenario u didn't include is if Westmeath draw and Dublin lose, then it's Westmeath, Dublin and Meath in to a 3 team play-off.

If Westmeath draw then that means Monasghan draw, means Monaghan go through.

[Croí na hÉireann]

Another scenario u didn't include is if Westmeath draw and Dublin lose, then it's Westmeath, Dublin and Meath in to a 3 team play-off.

If Westmeath draw then that means Monasghan draw, means Monaghan go through.

Correct and Westmeath, Dublin and Meath have to go into a 3 team play-off to decide who finishes second and plays them in the final.  Get back to dealing with Sammy, more ur level 

[Main Street]

I was not disagreeing with you, just adding a sense of totality to that scenario, a comfortable scenario for Monaghan which I quite liked.

[Croí na hÉireann]

That would work for the Farney men alright but ain't gonna suit us as we're out the 11th against de Slashers. If there does end up being a three way play off for second I can see de league final not being played off till de end of May, a disaster for all concerned really.

[armaghniac]

Further to my earlier post about my bet for the table topper in Div 2 , I emailed Boylesports to see how they would decide who was top if Dublin and Monaghan end up on equal points.

"Many thanks for contacting Boylesports.

We have contacted The GAA, and they have advised that point's difference will not be used for final placings in the Division.

Bets will be settled on the Official Placings from The GAA. This may involve two teams being deemed as ''topping table'' and a dead heat For First place. Further information will be available on Sunday."

This is a bit unsatisfactory as I haven't a good idea on the exact circumstances where my bet (on Dublin) will pay out.

[Hound]

Monaghan win and Dublin lose = Monaghan through in first place, Dublin and Meath to play again to decide

Wrong on the highlighted scenario. Since Dublin and Meath both didn't play Cork then points difference would decide who finishes second.

I've had a re-think on this.

Assuming Monaghan win, then a Meath win would see Dublin and Meath level on 9 points - and as they both played the same teams (i.e. everyone in the division apart from Cork), logic would say that points difference could be used. That makes sense to me and Sean Moran said the same in the Times last week - however that was his opinion - I don't know that the GAA has officially announced it. Armagniac's comment on what the GAA said to Boyle Sports muddies the water more, as it seem categorical that points difference won't be used (though that was in relation to who tops the group - and Dublin/Meath can't both top the group, so the answer wasnt supposed to deal with the Dub-MH situation).

It is different to the Dublin-Wexford case in the hurling, as each of them played against everybody including Cork - neither team was directly impacted by the walkovers so points difference was correctly used.

From recall I think the rules state that if you are impacted by a walkover, then points difference cannot apply. Clearly both Dublin and Meath have been impacted, therefore on a strict reading of the rules I think a replay would be required. Common sense would dictate that a replay isnt required and that points difference should be used but the fact that both of them have been impacted in identical ways doesnt seem to be covered in the rules!

It is interesting that Meath arent quoted on paddypower.com in relation to who will lift the trophy! They certainly should be.

[Croí na hÉireann]

You could be right hound, I think we could all be trying to guess what the CCCC's stand will be and with the DRA around they'll have to follow the rules to the letter of the law. Anyone have the relevant rule to hand???

[Hound]

One thing for sure is that it would be pretty damn stupid if Dublin and Meath are not told what the exact situtation is prior to the match!

[Main Street]

Just what defines an exact situation in the GAA?
an exact situation at the time of the telling but subject to change after the game?

[TacadoirArdMhacha]

Assuming Monaghan win, then a Meath win would see Dublin and Meath level on 9 points - and as they both played the same teams (i.e. everyone in the division apart from Cork), logic would say that points difference could be used.

I think the theory is that, if they had both played Cork then their score difference may well have been different than what it will end up being, therefore the score difference shouldn't be used. Or at least its use is less clearcut than in other cases where the teams who are level have played every team in the division.