The Many Faces of US Politics...

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RedHand88

Quote from: J70 on December 11, 2025, 05:22:43 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on December 11, 2025, 04:36:14 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 11, 2025, 03:48:57 PMI'd say the Hispanic voters for Trump are regretting now with his Gestapo/ICE agents rounding up everyone with brown skin they can find..

Are they aye.

Yeah, they are.

Stephen Miller has quotas he needs met, and they're just going out and chancing their arm a lot of the time, questioning anyone brown who happens to cross their path. God help you if you don't your papers.

And anyone planning to visit the US in the coming months and years, they're talking about searching your online history and social media before allowing you in.

If you have a Trump or Vance meme on your phone or Facebook, you might be shit out of luck.

Should help attendances at the World Cup next year.

This was the case under the Biden administration too. A friend had homeland security view her LinkedIn profile after applying for a visa. It is not unique to Trump.

Captain Obvious

#27541
Quote from: thewobbler on December 11, 2025, 03:46:14 PMWhy Puckoon do you feel the need to label it as a vote for hatred? Why is it so important for people these days to disagree vehemently instead of just acknowledging a difference of opinion.

America has swing states. It always has and always will, and the reason for this is because there's always clusters of people across the US who feel let down by the current government.

the Democrats created a mess, and it looked like their solution was going to be to keep doing exactly the same thing.

When a vote only actually matters if it's cast for one of two parties, it doesn't leave an awful lot of choice for change.

Hatred has f**k all to do with it.




Worth remembering the Democrats inherited a mess from a disastrous term 1 under Trump.  Solution of the Republicans was to put forward Trump for a 2nd term and he's sure to leave a far bigger mess behind this time.

J70

Quote from: RedHand88 on December 11, 2025, 06:26:01 PM
Quote from: J70 on December 11, 2025, 05:22:43 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on December 11, 2025, 04:36:14 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 11, 2025, 03:48:57 PMI'd say the Hispanic voters for Trump are regretting now with his Gestapo/ICE agents rounding up everyone with brown skin they can find..

Are they aye.

Yeah, they are.

Stephen Miller has quotas he needs met, and they're just going out and chancing their arm a lot of the time, questioning anyone brown who happens to cross their path. God help you if you don't your papers.

And anyone planning to visit the US in the coming months and years, they're talking about searching your online history and social media before allowing you in.

If you have a Trump or Vance meme on your phone or Facebook, you might be shit out of luck.

Should help attendances at the World Cup next year.

This was the case under the Biden administration too. A friend had homeland security view her LinkedIn profile after applying for a visa. It is not unique to Trump.

It might have partially the case for visa applicants. Their new requirements go way beyond that and include the visa waiver countries. Including Ireland and the UK.

Blowitupref

Quote from: RedHand88 on December 11, 2025, 06:26:01 PM
Quote from: J70 on December 11, 2025, 05:22:43 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on December 11, 2025, 04:36:14 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 11, 2025, 03:48:57 PMI'd say the Hispanic voters for Trump are regretting now with his Gestapo/ICE agents rounding up everyone with brown skin they can find..

Are they aye.

Yeah, they are.

Stephen Miller has quotas he needs met, and they're just going out and chancing their arm a lot of the time, questioning anyone brown who happens to cross their path. God help you if you don't your papers.

And anyone planning to visit the US in the coming months and years, they're talking about searching your online history and social media before allowing you in.

If you have a Trump or Vance meme on your phone or Facebook, you might be shit out of luck.

Should help attendances at the World Cup next year.

This was the case under the Biden administration too. A friend had homeland security view her LinkedIn profile after applying for a visa. It is not unique to Trump.

It's one thing looking up LinkedIn for possible security risks and it's another thing looking at Facebook and Twitter to see have you got a history of mocking a very sensitive Donald Trump.

Is the ref going to finally blow his whistle?... No, he's going to blow his nose

Eamonnca1

Quote from: thewobbler on December 11, 2025, 03:46:14 PMWhy Puckoon do you feel the need to label it as a vote for hatred? Why is it so important for people these days to disagree vehemently instead of just acknowledging a difference of opinion.

America has swing states. It always has and always will, and the reason for this is because there's always clusters of people across the US who feel let down by the current government.

the Democrats created a mess, and it looked like their solution was going to be to keep doing exactly the same thing.

When a vote only actually matters if it's cast for one of two parties, it doesn't leave an awful lot of choice for change.

Hatred has f**k all to do with it.



Jesus wept.

Republicans spend like drunken sailors while cutting taxes for the rich (running up the deficit and national debt), deregulate the banks, start unprovoked wars that they put on the credit card, crash the economy, and leave it up to Democrats to come in afterwards and clean up the mess. When in opposition, they suddenly become deficit hawks, block all efforts by Democrats to clean up the mess, and then blame Democrats for not fixing it quicker. The sad part is, it seems to work for them. There are enough low-information voters that will swallow this crap.

J70

Quote from: whitey on December 11, 2025, 05:40:03 PM
Quote from: J70 on December 11, 2025, 05:22:43 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on December 11, 2025, 04:36:14 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 11, 2025, 03:48:57 PMI'd say the Hispanic voters for Trump are regretting now with his Gestapo/ICE agents rounding up everyone with brown skin they can find..

Are they aye.

Yeah, they are.

Stephen Miller has quotas he needs met, and they're just going out and chancing their arm a lot of the time, questioning anyone brown who happens to cross their path. God help you if you don't your papers.

And anyone planning to visit the US in the coming months and years, they're talking about searching your online history and social media before allowing you in.

If you have a Trump or Vance meme on your phone or Facebook, you might be shit out of luck.

Should help attendances at the World Cup next year.

So looking back in the cold light of day, was 4 years of open borders under Biden  worth it?

Were sanctuary policies worth it? where rapists and murderers we're let walk free and not handed over to law enforcement

Was it worth it for the media to lie to the American people and gaslight them for 4 years about what Biden and Kamala were doing?

We have discussed this many times here before and you know where I stand-enforce the border and get the 10M+ who are already here undocumented on a
Pathway to citizenship





Rapists and murderers are/were let walk free in sanctuary cities?

Obviously some of Biden's immigration policies were a huge mistake.

Cunny Funt

Quote from: Eamonnca1 on December 11, 2025, 06:44:37 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on December 11, 2025, 03:46:14 PMWhy Puckoon do you feel the need to label it as a vote for hatred? Why is it so important for people these days to disagree vehemently instead of just acknowledging a difference of opinion.

America has swing states. It always has and always will, and the reason for this is because there's always clusters of people across the US who feel let down by the current government.

the Democrats created a mess, and it looked like their solution was going to be to keep doing exactly the same thing.

When a vote only actually matters if it's cast for one of two parties, it doesn't leave an awful lot of choice for change.

Hatred has f**k all to do with it.



Jesus wept.

Republicans spend like drunken sailors while cutting taxes for the rich (running up the deficit and national debt), deregulate the banks, start unprovoked wars that they put on the credit card, crash the economy, and leave it up to Democrats to come in afterwards and clean up the mess. When in opposition, they suddenly become deficit hawks, block all efforts by Democrats to clean up the mess, and then blame Democrats for not fixing it quicker. The sad part is, it seems to work for them. There are enough low-information voters that will swallow this crap.

It's been on going with Republicans in power in my lifetime since Ronald Reagan and his trickle down economics.

Under Trump the crap has moved up another level again. The Bernie Sanders 2003 speech is worth watching on how he predicted the rise of MAGA and far-right.

whitey

Quote from: J70 on December 11, 2025, 06:49:40 PM
Quote from: whitey on December 11, 2025, 05:40:03 PM
Quote from: J70 on December 11, 2025, 05:22:43 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on December 11, 2025, 04:36:14 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 11, 2025, 03:48:57 PMI'd say the Hispanic voters for Trump are regretting now with his Gestapo/ICE agents rounding up everyone with brown skin they can find..

Are they aye.

Yeah, they are.

Stephen Miller has quotas he needs met, and they're just going out and chancing their arm a lot of the time, questioning anyone brown who happens to cross their path. God help you if you don't your papers.

And anyone planning to visit the US in the coming months and years, they're talking about searching your online history and social media before allowing you in.

If you have a Trump or Vance meme on your phone or Facebook, you might be shit out of luck.

Should help attendances at the World Cup next year.

So looking back in the cold light of day, was 4 years of open borders under Biden  worth it?

Were sanctuary policies worth it? where rapists and murderers we're let walk free and not handed over to law enforcement

Was it worth it for the media to lie to the American people and gaslight them for 4 years about what Biden and Kamala were doing?

We have discussed this many times here before and you know where I stand-enforce the border and get the 10M+ who are already here undocumented on a
Pathway to citizenship





Rapists and murderers are/were let walk free in sanctuary cities?


Obviously some of Biden's immigration policies were a huge mistake.


Yes

https://www.dhs.gov/news/2025/10/17/ice-arrests-violent-illegal-alien-child-rapist-released-richmonds-sanctuary

seafoid

https://www.ft.com/content/683b5e44-5f2b-48da-9459-ced5b95d2812

Citizens of countries including the UK and France will have to disclose the past five years of their social media history to visit the US even though they are covered by visa waiver schemes, under new proposals by the Trump administration

J70

Quote from: whitey on December 11, 2025, 08:16:39 PM
Quote from: J70 on December 11, 2025, 06:49:40 PM
Quote from: whitey on December 11, 2025, 05:40:03 PM
Quote from: J70 on December 11, 2025, 05:22:43 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on December 11, 2025, 04:36:14 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 11, 2025, 03:48:57 PMI'd say the Hispanic voters for Trump are regretting now with his Gestapo/ICE agents rounding up everyone with brown skin they can find..

Are they aye.

Yeah, they are.

Stephen Miller has quotas he needs met, and they're just going out and chancing their arm a lot of the time, questioning anyone brown who happens to cross their path. God help you if you don't your papers.

And anyone planning to visit the US in the coming months and years, they're talking about searching your online history and social media before allowing you in.

If you have a Trump or Vance meme on your phone or Facebook, you might be shit out of luck.

Should help attendances at the World Cup next year.

So looking back in the cold light of day, was 4 years of open borders under Biden  worth it?

Were sanctuary policies worth it? where rapists and murderers we're let walk free and not handed over to law enforcement

Was it worth it for the media to lie to the American people and gaslight them for 4 years about what Biden and Kamala were doing?

We have discussed this many times here before and you know where I stand-enforce the border and get the 10M+ who are already here undocumented on a
Pathway to citizenship





Rapists and murderers are/were let walk free in sanctuary cities?


Obviously some of Biden's immigration policies were a huge mistake.

Yes

https://www.dhs.gov/news/2025/10/17/ice-arrests-violent-illegal-alien-child-rapist-released-richmonds-sanctuary


Sorry, I thought you meant they were released without trial or conviction.

But yeah, if that's true (it's not like bald-faced lying isn't the major part of Tricia McLoughlin's job), that's fucked up and something I do not support. And ultimately self-defeating, politically, to give its basest analysis.

You can have some sanctuary city policies that encourage cooperation and engagement with the law and justice system without going to the extreme of witholding someone like that from immigration authorities.

whitey

Quote from: J70 on December 11, 2025, 09:25:31 PM
Quote from: whitey on December 11, 2025, 08:16:39 PM
Quote from: J70 on December 11, 2025, 06:49:40 PM
Quote from: whitey on December 11, 2025, 05:40:03 PM
Quote from: J70 on December 11, 2025, 05:22:43 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on December 11, 2025, 04:36:14 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 11, 2025, 03:48:57 PMI'd say the Hispanic voters for Trump are regretting now with his Gestapo/ICE agents rounding up everyone with brown skin they can find..

Are they aye.

Yeah, they are.

Stephen Miller has quotas he needs met, and they're just going out and chancing their arm a lot of the time, questioning anyone brown who happens to cross their path. God help you if you don't your papers.

And anyone planning to visit the US in the coming months and years, they're talking about searching your online history and social media before allowing you in.

If you have a Trump or Vance meme on your phone or Facebook, you might be shit out of luck.

Should help attendances at the World Cup next year.

So looking back in the cold light of day, was 4 years of open borders under Biden  worth it?

Were sanctuary policies worth it? where rapists and murderers we're let walk free and not handed over to law enforcement

Was it worth it for the media to lie to the American people and gaslight them for 4 years about what Biden and Kamala were doing?

We have discussed this many times here before and you know where I stand-enforce the border and get the 10M+ who are already here undocumented on a
Pathway to citizenship





Rapists and murderers are/were let walk free in sanctuary cities?


Obviously some of Biden's immigration policies were a huge mistake.

Yes

https://www.dhs.gov/news/2025/10/17/ice-arrests-violent-illegal-alien-child-rapist-released-richmonds-sanctuary


Sorry, I thought you meant they were released without trial or conviction.

But yeah, if that's true (it's not like bald-faced lying isn't the major part of Tricia McLoughlin's job), that's fucked up and something I do not support. And ultimately self-defeating, politically, to give its basest analysis.

You can have some sanctuary city policies that encourage cooperation and engagement with the law and justice system without going to the extreme of witholding someone like that from immigration authorities.

https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/ice-arrests-violent-gang-member-guilty-murder-after-maximum-security-prison-releases

I really don't understand it

If I was a regular Democrats I would be absolutely furious with the likes of Pritzker

This is why Trump is sending ICE out into the neighborhoods-to find these guys

Milltown Row2

Quote from: seafoid on December 11, 2025, 09:01:19 PMhttps://www.ft.com/content/683b5e44-5f2b-48da-9459-ced5b95d2812

Citizens of countries including the UK and France will have to disclose the past five years of their social media history to visit the US even though they are covered by visa waiver schemes, under new proposals by the Trump administration

Can there be a site that shows you what's ok and what's not?

Another reason though not to go back, hopefully the uk and France use the same metric to stop trump supporters into their countries
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought.

Blowitupref


Quote from: whitey on December 11, 2025, 10:28:47 PM
Quote from: J70 on December 11, 2025, 09:25:31 PM
Quote from: whitey on December 11, 2025, 08:16:39 PM
Quote from: J70 on December 11, 2025, 06:49:40 PM
Quote from: whitey on December 11, 2025, 05:40:03 PM
Quote from: J70 on December 11, 2025, 05:22:43 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on December 11, 2025, 04:36:14 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 11, 2025, 03:48:57 PMI'd say the Hispanic voters for Trump are regretting now with his Gestapo/ICE agents rounding up everyone with brown skin they can find..

Are they aye.

Yeah, they are.

Stephen Miller has quotas he needs met, and they're just going out and chancing their arm a lot of the time, questioning anyone brown who happens to cross their path. God help you if you don't your papers.

And anyone planning to visit the US in the coming months and years, they're talking about searching your online history and social media before allowing you in.

If you have a Trump or Vance meme on your phone or Facebook, you might be shit out of luck.

Should help attendances at the World Cup next year.

So looking back in the cold light of day, was 4 years of open borders under Biden  worth it?

Were sanctuary policies worth it? where rapists and murderers we're let walk free and not handed over to law enforcement

Was it worth it for the media to lie to the American people and gaslight them for 4 years about what Biden and Kamala were doing?

We have discussed this many times here before and you know where I stand-enforce the border and get the 10M+ who are already here undocumented on a
Pathway to citizenship





Rapists and murderers are/were let walk free in sanctuary cities?


Obviously some of Biden's immigration policies were a huge mistake.

Yes

https://www.dhs.gov/news/2025/10/17/ice-arrests-violent-illegal-alien-child-rapist-released-richmonds-sanctuary


Sorry, I thought you meant they were released without trial or conviction.

But yeah, if that's true (it's not like bald-faced lying isn't the major part of Tricia McLoughlin's job), that's fucked up and something I do not support. And ultimately self-defeating, politically, to give its basest analysis.

You can have some sanctuary city policies that encourage cooperation and engagement with the law and justice system without going to the extreme of witholding someone like that from immigration authorities.

https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/ice-arrests-violent-gang-member-guilty-murder-after-maximum-security-prison-releases

I really don't understand it

If I was a regular Democrats I would be absolutely furious with the likes of Pritzker

This is why Trump is sending ICE out into the neighborhoods-to find these guys

Out of interest how many red states is Trump sending ICE out to?
Is the ref going to finally blow his whistle?... No, he's going to blow his nose

whitey

#27553
Quote from: Blowitupref on December 11, 2025, 11:21:11 PM
Quote from: whitey on December 11, 2025, 10:28:47 PM
Quote from: J70 on December 11, 2025, 09:25:31 PM
Quote from: whitey on December 11, 2025, 08:16:39 PM
Quote from: J70 on December 11, 2025, 06:49:40 PM
Quote from: whitey on December 11, 2025, 05:40:03 PM
Quote from: J70 on December 11, 2025, 05:22:43 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on December 11, 2025, 04:36:14 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 11, 2025, 03:48:57 PMI'd say the Hispanic voters for Trump are regretting now with his Gestapo/ICE agents rounding up everyone with brown skin they can find..

Are they aye.

Yeah, they are.

Stephen Miller has quotas he needs met, and they're just going out and chancing their arm a lot of the time, questioning anyone brown who happens to cross their path. God help you if you don't your papers.

And anyone planning to visit the US in the coming months and years, they're talking about searching your online history and social media before allowing you in.

If you have a Trump or Vance meme on your phone or Facebook, you might be shit out of luck.

Should help attendances at the World Cup next year.

So looking back in the cold light of day, was 4 years of open borders under Biden  worth it?

Were sanctuary policies worth it? where rapists and murderers we're let walk free and not handed over to law enforcement

Was it worth it for the media to lie to the American people and gaslight them for 4 years about what Biden and Kamala were doing?

We have discussed this many times here before and you know where I stand-enforce the border and get the 10M+ who are already here undocumented on a
Pathway to citizenship





Rapists and murderers are/were let walk free in sanctuary cities?


Obviously some of Biden's immigration policies were a huge mistake.

Yes

https://www.dhs.gov/news/2025/10/17/ice-arrests-violent-illegal-alien-child-rapist-released-richmonds-sanctuary


Sorry, I thought you meant they were released without trial or conviction.

But yeah, if that's true (it's not like bald-faced lying isn't the major part of Tricia McLoughlin's job), that's fucked up and something I do not support. And ultimately self-defeating, politically, to give its basest analysis.

You can have some sanctuary city policies that encourage cooperation and engagement with the law and justice system without going to the extreme of witholding someone like that from immigration authorities.

https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/ice-arrests-violent-gang-member-guilty-murder-after-maximum-security-prison-releases

I really don't understand it

If I was a regular Democrats I would be absolutely furious with the likes of Pritzker

This is why Trump is sending ICE out into the neighborhoods-to find these guys

Out of interest how many red states is Trump sending ICE out to?



Well he's sending ICE to places with "sanctuary" policies (which typically would be blue cities in blue states)

The courts and jails in red cities and states would respect the ICE detainer and hand the criminal illegals over so there shouldn't really be much of a need for them to go to  Red States

But of course you can have a sanctuary city in a Republican State. Two examples I can think of are Memphis and Houston where Ice have been active