Gamesmanship

[Hound]

The Meath team of the late 80s/early 90s were the masters of the goading and thrash talking. But I presume as there wasnt so much gesticulating that it was all fine.

[believebelive]

if someone who is getting subjected to it wants to point to a scoreboard or raise their fingers in indication of how many titles they've won then power to them I reckon.

I don't think so. The proper way to behave is with a modicum of dignity and respect. You can't expect it all the time, I suppose, but at least the rules should require it. Why should we condone idiots aping the lowest common denominator in  the value-free commercial circus that is professional soccer? Just because that money-driven sorry tabloid-fodder nonsense has no relationship to real sport or sporting principles, the rest of us don't have to forget that the real purpose of sport is to promote decent values. If it's "more power to him" to give someone the finger, in full view of the nation, where do we stop? How many fingers are acceptable? Will it be mooning next?

If a player is getting dragged off the ball or as he goes to make a run there are 2 options he can take
a) Draw back his elbow or fist or b) Hurt the opposing player on the scoreboard and let him know about it. When the referee's, linesmen or umpires do fcuk all about off the ball stuff it is up to the forward to take whatever action he deems necessary

No. There are more than two options. Neither of those is acceptable, if "let him know about it" means put your fingers up in his face. The fact that the GAA president has issued a statement about the unacceptability of one of the two "options" doesn't render the other acceptable. It's not either-or.

Out of interest Hardy - what do you suggest a forward do if a defender is subjecting him to off the ball stuff? Should he draw the refs of umpires attention to it? I would say that if the officials are turning a blind eye to it then the forward is more than justified in returning the physicality.

[Hardy]

The Meath team of the late 80s/early 90s were the masters of the goading and thrash talking. But I presume as there wasnt so much gesticulating that it was all fine.

Played against them, did you? Or where did you read that? Wait – no. You're going to tell me that someone told you, right?

Out of interest Hardy - what do you suggest a forward do if a defender is subjecting him to off the ball stuff?

He should rise above it. Offer it up. He will be rewarded in heaven.

With respect, I think we're missing the point here. I'm not setting myself up to say what anyone should do and that's not the question. What we're discussing is what the rules should say and how they should be interpreted and applied. My contribution is to suggest that the rules should be applied to discourage and penalise what used to be called "ungentlemanly conduct" and to deter undignified behaviour. And as a template for what we should avoid at all costs, I've pointed to what goes on in soccer and will take root in our game if it's not actively eradicated.

[Croí na hÉireann]

The Meath team of the late 80s/early 90s were the masters of the goading and thrash talking. But I presume as there wasnt so much gesticulating that it was all fine.

Played against them, did you? Or where did you read that? Wait – no. You're going to tell me that someone told you, right?

See Colm Coyle running away from Lilywhite in 97 replay (I think). Funny though looking back at it...

Given verbals to lads who I've already had a run in with after scoring a goal in 11 aside astro. Don't have the time or energy in football, got to get back into position...

[orangeman]

Dublin could give you all lessons in gamesmanship !! I like the one where they walk out hand on each others shoulders and mrach towards the hill and salute the hill - pure class !

[The Hill is Blue]

Not just because he's a Meathman, but see Kevin Foley's demeanour after scoring The Goal of the Millennium  for my gold standard of how to behave after scoring.

How about Tommy Dowd's "gesture" to the Hill after scoring a goal sometime in the '90s (Leinster Final '96?).

[lynchbhoy]

The Meath team of the late 80s/early 90s were the masters of the goading and thrash talking. But I presume as there wasnt so much gesticulating that it was all fine.

Played against them, did you? Or where did you read that? Wait – no. You're going to tell me that someone told you, right?

jeez hardy, I'd not comment on that aspect if I were you...straight from horses mouths and all that...

I was shocked to hear it wasnt here say !
I dont like that trash talking sihte, an old stick in the mud like me thinks that Football (and hurling) shoul dbe played by men, stoic men at that.

Think Brennan is making some good changes to aspects that are not covered by rules and regulations. Also think that players shoul dbe penalised (or shot) if they feign inj.

also think that brennan is a far better President than the clowns who preceeded him (eg coco mcCague and bozo kelly)

[Hardy]

Arra HIB, he scored so many how could I remember one in particular?  Anyway, I don't remember anything like that, but, in the intetrest of balance, I should point to the hundreds of thousands (at least) of "gestures" offered from the Hill to Tommy over the years. It seems a little one-sided to pick out his one in return.

(It's not like you to descend to whataboutery. )

[The Hill is Blue]

Arra HIB, he scored so many how could I remember one in particular?  Anyway, I don't remember anything like that, but, in the intetrest of balance, I should point to the hundreds of thousands (at least) of "gestures" offered from the Hill to Tommy over the years. It seems a little one-sided to pick out his one in return.

(It's not like you to descend to whataboutery. )

I'd no problem with it at the time – nor I guess had anyone on the Hill. It was all part of the very special craic that's part and parcel of a Meath – Dublin game.

.... but to suggest the Meath set "the gold standard of how to behave after scoring" – I just couldn't let that go. 

[Hardy]

HIB - it's worse you're getting! Read this again (I've added emphasis this time) and tell me how it suggests that "Meath set the gold standard of how to behave after scoring" (a quote that takes the prize for taking a sequence of words out of context, even for a Dub, even in the anxious time leading up to an AISF, even for this madhouse).

Not just because he's a Meathman, but see Kevin Foley's demeanour after scoring The Goal of the Millennium     for my gold standard of how to behave after scoring.