After Death

[omaghjoe]

Where would an after life be, in the context of the known Universe, and how would we get there (speed, distance, time etc)?

Since its primarily of a spiritual nature (ie non-physical) why would you presume it lies within the known (ie physical) universe.

I would have thought that it is much more of a leap to presume it is something that no one has ever had any evidence of?

There is no scientific evidence of the human spirit that's true but there is intuitive, instinctual and rational evidence of it.

Besides doesn't scientific evidence rely on our senses to interpret what's out there? Its a fair old leap to presume that what we are made up  off can give us an accurate picture of whats out there.

In fact to hide the anomalies of that picture that it gives us we have to use reason and logic to come up with quantum physics to make sense of it, (and we still cant fully) which as it turns out is actually nothing like the picture we see thru our senses. But then if the picture we are getting in the first place is wrong in the first place its a false assumption to assume our understanding of that picture is right.

As I mentioned before science uses logical deduction to rationalise the world but its starting point uses induction, thereby throwing a question mark over whether or not it really is an accurate picture of the world

Can you give me an example of the rational evidence that put forward the case for an afterlife?

Well if you have an instinctual feeling that death is not the end, the next step in reasoning that feeling is an afterlife.

That is the evidence?

Yes, where you expecting empirical evidence? The evidence requires faith as a starting point.

[muppet]

Where would an after life be, in the context of the known Universe, and how would we get there (speed, distance, time etc)?

Since its primarily of a spiritual nature (ie non-physical) why would you presume it lies within the known (ie physical) universe.

I would have thought that it is much more of a leap to presume it is something that no one has ever had any evidence of?

There is no scientific evidence of the human spirit that's true but there is intuitive, instinctual and rational evidence of it.

Besides doesn't scientific evidence rely on our senses to interpret what's out there? Its a fair old leap to presume that what we are made up  off can give us an accurate picture of whats out there.

In fact to hide the anomalies of that picture that it gives us we have to use reason and logic to come up with quantum physics to make sense of it, (and we still cant fully) which as it turns out is actually nothing like the picture we see thru our senses. But then if the picture we are getting in the first place is wrong in the first place its a false assumption to assume our understanding of that picture is right.

As I mentioned before science uses logical deduction to rationalise the world but its starting point uses induction, thereby throwing a question mark over whether or not it really is an accurate picture of the world

Can you give me an example of the rational evidence that put forward the case for an afterlife?

Well if you have an instinctual feeling that death is not the end, the next step in reasoning that feeling is an afterlife.

That is the evidence?

Yes, where you expecting empirical evidence? The evidence requires faith as a starting point.

I have faith that Olivia Wilde would love me if she only knew me. This is not evidence. It is fantasy.

[omaghjoe]

Where would an after life be, in the context of the known Universe, and how would we get there (speed, distance, time etc)?

Since its primarily of a spiritual nature (ie non-physical) why would you presume it lies within the known (ie physical) universe.

I would have thought that it is much more of a leap to presume it is something that no one has ever had any evidence of?

There is no scientific evidence of the human spirit that's true but there is intuitive, instinctual and rational evidence of it.

Besides doesn't scientific evidence rely on our senses to interpret what's out there? Its a fair old leap to presume that what we are made up  off can give us an accurate picture of whats out there.

In fact to hide the anomalies of that picture that it gives us we have to use reason and logic to come up with quantum physics to make sense of it, (and we still cant fully) which as it turns out is actually nothing like the picture we see thru our senses. But then if the picture we are getting in the first place is wrong in the first place its a false assumption to assume our understanding of that picture is right.

As I mentioned before science uses logical deduction to rationalise the world but its starting point uses induction, thereby throwing a question mark over whether or not it really is an accurate picture of the world

Can you give me an example of the rational evidence that put forward the case for an afterlife?

Well if you have an instinctual feeling that death is not the end, the next step in reasoning that feeling is an afterlife.

That is the evidence?

Yes, where you expecting empirical evidence? The evidence requires faith as a starting point.

I have faith that Olivia Wilde would love me if she only knew me. This is not evidence. It is fantasy.

Im sure you could try and keep the discussion relevant. But if you wish to continue with the analogy then.... there is a possibility that she would love you (whoever she is) if she did meet you, and in fact that possibility is made all the more likely to be possible by the strength of your faith that she would. 

At the end of the day all evidence (including scientific) is ultimately mental and nothing is assured without some sort or faith or presumptions as a starting point.

[DownFanatic]

Heaven is not knowing that you are dead.

[No wides]

Heaven is not knowing that you are dead.

For a huge percentage of the population being raped and abused daily, having no food, being sold into slavery, watching their families get killed, having no home, no future, no prospects except daily pain and suffering, heaven would be being dead.  One has to ask if this God chap can create a utopia on a spiritual level, why does he or she or it allow so many millions to suffer on a physical level who's only crime was to be born?

[haveaharp]

Heaven is not knowing that you are dead.

For a huge percentage of the population being raped and abused daily, having no food, being sold into slavery, watching their families get killed, having no home, no future, no prospects except daily pain and suffering, heaven would be being dead.  One has to ask if this God chap can create a utopia on a spiritual level, why does he or she or it allow so many millions to suffer on a physical level who's only crime was to be born?

remind me not to go for a pint with you.

[No wides]

More a carlsberg man.   

[Applesisapples]

No other story has claimed so many followers over 2000 years on,all the same

2000 years was a decent innings. 200'000 years of humans on the planet. 2000 is good.

sure the earth is only 6000 years old.

[Applesisapples]

' Once you're gone,
you don't come back;
when you're out of the blue,
you're into the black'.

Neil Younggggggggg!!!!!!!!

[mikehunt]

"Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves. Heres Tom with the Weather."

― Bill Hicks