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[galwayman]

Jarlaths always had a few boarders playing sure enough.
Saying that the last 2 Hogan Cup winning teams in 1994 & 2002 were almost entirely made up of Galway lads.
Jarlaths have had a few tough seasons at senior level but I don't think we should be writing obituaries for them just yet.
They will still be very competitive over the coming years.
Other Galway schools need to get their act together though.

[moysider]

Jarlaths always had a few boarders playing sure enough.
Saying that the last 2 Hogan Cup winning teams in 1994 & 2002 were almost entirely made up of Galway lads.
Jarlaths have had a few tough seasons at senior level but I don't think we should be writing obituaries for them just yet.
They will still be very competitive over the coming years.
Other Galway schools need to get their act together though.

Not writing obituraries or anything. But Jarlath's now are no longer backboned by outsiders.
I remember that team that I was talking about had Ahern and Finneran from Roscommon. Kavanagh from Kildare and Kilcoyne from Mayo. All players who were able to play serious senior county football. The goalkeeper Donoghue and Gary Sice are the only 2 Galway lads that I can recall that had serious careers with Galway from that team.
Even back in the day when I was about they had the Mayo lads ( likes of Brogan and Mark Butler from Mayo made the best ever Jarlath's 15 for their millinium I think) , Roscommon lads and even a McGettigan from Donegal. We were scrabbling about from local lads. Some of the better Ballina and Knockmore lads (the local senior clubs) were in Jarlath's.

[From the Bunker]

Jarlaths always had a few boarders playing sure enough.
Saying that the last 2 Hogan Cup winning teams in 1994 & 2002 were almost entirely made up of Galway lads.
Jarlaths have had a few tough seasons at senior level but I don't think we should be writing obituaries for them just yet.
They will still be very competitive over the coming years.
Other Galway schools need to get their act together though.

Not writing obituraries or anything. But Jarlath's now are no longer backboned by outsiders.
I remember that team that I was talking about had Ahern and Finneran from Roscommon. Kavanagh from Kildare and Kilcoyne from Mayo. All players who were able to play serious senior county football. The goalkeeper Donoghue and Gary Sice are the only 2 Galway lads that I can recall that had serious careers with Galway from that team.
Even back in the day when I was about they had the Mayo lads ( likes of Brogan and Mark Butler from Mayo made the best ever Jarlath's 15 for their millinium I think) , Roscommon lads and even a McGettigan from Donegal. We were scrabbling about from local lads. Some of the better Ballina and Knockmore lads (the local senior clubs) were in Jarlath's.

A lot of the Knockmore lads would have gone to Foxford Secondary School.

[Duine Eile]

Jarlaths always had a few boarders playing sure enough.
Saying that the last 2 Hogan Cup winning teams in 1994 & 2002 were almost entirely made up of Galway lads.
Jarlaths have had a few tough seasons at senior level but I don't think we should be writing obituaries for them just yet.
They will still be very competitive over the coming years.
Other Galway schools need to get their act together though.

Not writing obituraries or anything. But Jarlath's now are no longer backboned by outsiders.
I remember that team that I was talking about had Ahern and Finneran from Roscommon. Kavanagh from Kildare and Kilcoyne from Mayo. All players who were able to play serious senior county football. The goalkeeper Donoghue and Gary Sice are the only 2 Galway lads that I can recall that had serious careers with Galway from that team.
Even back in the day when I was about they had the Mayo lads ( likes of Brogan and Mark Butler from Mayo made the best ever Jarlath's 15 for their millinium I think) , Roscommon lads and even a McGettigan from Donegal. We were scrabbling about from local lads. Some of the better Ballina and Knockmore lads (the local senior clubs) were in Jarlath's.

I think you're combining a few teams there Moy! Gary Sice was on the 02 team that had Michael Meehan, Darren Mullahy, John Devane, Cillin de Paor, Ger Aherne and those lads, Donoghue was gone a couple of years at that stage. That was the year they had the 2 fantastic battles with Declan O'Sullivan and Colaiste an Sceilge in Limerick.

[Maroon Manc]

Galway have won 4 u21 All Irelands since 2002 and haven't won a Championship game in Croker in that time, that is appalling.

As someone who is looking from afar its hard to know whats going wrong with Galway but we're obviously producing talented players but turning them into good Senior players is proving a problem. I can only see 2 players from the 2011 & 2013 team in Comer & Walsh that may develop into really top players. 

If in 2001 we'd be told we'd win 4 u21 All Irelands in in the next 12 years but wouldn't win a game in Croker in that time you'd have laughed at it, it doesn't make any logical sense.

I haven't a clue but how many of the 2011 & 2013 but how of the players are with senior clubs? Off the top of my head Flynn & Cummins aren't, not sure about anyone else.

I've always been surprised that other counties don't copy Kerry's divisional championship, it sure is working for them in terms of producing county players and even Junior & intermediate club AI's as many of these players are exposed to a higher level of football.

[seafoid]

It took Galway ages to adopt to pukey blanket football. Other counties with a few all Irelands such as Down and Meath have had the same problem . There was a lot of foostering with managers like big Joe that didn't work out.  Mayo got their act together. 

I think maybe the footballers have the thing the hurlers have. A large pick of good players but no coherent system to develop them.

[mouview]

Footballers don't have that Seaf. It's hard to know whether to be angrier with the hurling scene where a multitude of good players are wasted or with the football set-up where few good players are emerging. The likes of Niall Burke, Cathal Mannion, Jason Flynn, Conor Cooney, Conor Whelan, Glennon, Jonny Glynn etc. mightn't yet or ever be good enough to win an AI but can you even name their big ball equivalent in the county?

[seafoid]

Footballers don't have that Seaf. It's hard to know whether to be angrier with the hurling scene where a multitude of good players are wasted or with the football set-up where few good players are emerging. The likes of Niall Burke, Cathal Mannion, Jason Flynn, Conor Cooney, Conor Whelan, Glennon, Jonny Glynn etc. mightn't yet or ever be good enough to win an AI but can you even name their big ball equivalent in the county?

The hurling case is worse, Mo.  I will see if I can dig out a 2005 IT article about Galway hurling's embarrassment of riches and inability to turn into a senior team. They are ok up to u21 but it gets very vague afterwards . At least AC tried to change that.   
The footballers have used and dropped an awful lot of good young lads in the last 10 years.

Eg 2009 league
GALWAY : P Doherty; N Coyne, F Hanley, D Burke; G Bradshaw (0-2) , D Blake, D Mullahy; J Bergin, B Cullinane; S Armstrong (0-1), P Joyce (0-1) , M Lydon; D Dunleavy (0-2), M Meehan (1-9, three frees), N Joyce (0-1). Subs : D Meehan for D Mullahy (23 mins inj), F Breathnach for N Joyce (25 mins), M Clancy for F Breathnach (50 mins), G Sice for N Coyne (53 mins), D Reilly for M Lydon (63 mins)

2011 league
GALWAY: A Faherty (0-1, a 45); A Burke, C Forde, J Duane; G O'Donnell, G Higgins, G Sice; J Bergin, F Hanley (0-1); F Breathnach (0-1), O Concannon (0-1 free), C Kenny; C Bane (0-5, two frees), P Conroy (0-2), M Clancy (0-2). Subs: J Ryan for P Conroy (53 mins), D Blake for F Breathnach (62 mins).

2013 league
Galway: Manus Breathnach; Gary Sweeney, Finian Hanley, Johnny Duane; Garreth Bradshaw, Gary O'Donnell, Gary Sice (0-01); Niall Coleman (0-01), Anthony Griffin; Michael Boyle, Paul Conroy (0-03, 0-02 free), Seán Denvir; Eoin Concannon, Michael Meehan (0-01, free), Michael Martin (0-04, 0-03 frees).
Sub: Fionntán Ó'Curráin for Griffin, Seán Armstrong for Concannon, Conor Doherty for Denvir, Danny Cummins for Martin, Keith Kelly for Bradshaw

2014 championship
GALWAY: T Healy; 2 D O'Neill, 3 F Hanley, 4 J Moore; 5 G Bradshaw (0-2), 6 G O'Donnell, 7 P Varley; 8 F O'Curraoin, 9 T Flynn (1-0); 10 M Lundy (1-1), 14 P Conroy (0-1), 23 J O'Brien; 13 M Martin, 11 S Walsh (0-5, three frees), 15 D Cummins.
Substitutes: 22 S Armstrong for D Cummins (half-time), 25 D Comer (0-1) for J O'Brien (half-time), 12 K Kelly for J Moore (48 mins inj), 24 E Hoare for M Martin (56 mins), 20 C Mulryan for P Varley (67 min),

2016 league
Galway: M Breathnach; D Wynne (0-1), D Kyne, C Sweeney; L Silke, G O'Donnell, G Bradshaw; T Flynn, P Conroy; E Brannigan (0-2), P Sweeney (1-0), G Sice (0-3,3f); S Walsh (0-4,1f, '45), D Cummins (0-1), D Comer (0-1). Subs: J Heaney for D Cummins (48); S Denvir for G Sice (61); E Hoare for E Brannigan (70).

Winning is about developing talent and moulding it and bringing it on and Galway can't really do that in either code right now . When you can't do it it is like when you play Monopoly and have to sell all your property and start again with nothing over and over again.

The Mayo lads are a good example of how to do it even if the final execution has been poor   

[Duine Eile]

Galway have won 4 u21 All Irelands since 2002 and haven't won a Championship game in Croker in that time, that is appalling.

As someone who is looking from afar its hard to know whats going wrong with Galway but we're obviously producing talented players but turning them into good Senior players is proving a problem. I can only see 2 players from the 2011 & 2013 team in Comer & Walsh that may develop into really top players. 

If in 2001 we'd be told we'd win 4 u21 All Irelands in in the next 12 years but wouldn't win a game in Croker in that time you'd have laughed at it, it doesn't make any logical sense.

I haven't a clue but how many of the 2011 & 2013 but how of the players are with senior clubs? Off the top of my head Flynn & Cummins aren't, not sure about anyone else.

I've always been surprised that other counties don't copy Kerry's divisional championship, it sure is working for them in terms of producing county players and even Junior & intermediate club AI's as many of these players are exposed to a higher level of football.

Of the team that started the last day:
Maghnus Breathnach, David Wynne, Declan Kyne, Gareth Bradshaw, Tom Flynn, Danny Cummins, Shane Walsh will all be playing intermediate club football this year.

[GalwayBayBoy]

Jarlaths always had a few boarders playing sure enough.
Saying that the last 2 Hogan Cup winning teams in 1994 & 2002 were almost entirely made up of Galway lads.
Jarlaths have had a few tough seasons at senior level but I don't think we should be writing obituaries for them just yet.
They will still be very competitive over the coming years.
Other Galway schools need to get their act together though.

Not writing obituraries or anything. But Jarlath's now are no longer backboned by outsiders.

Jarlath's were never backboned by outsiders. They were always backboned by Galway lads and there might be a couple of non Galway lads on the team any given year. Some years a few more. Some years hardly any. I played senior against Jarlath's for 3 years back when they still took boarders and they never had more than one or two outsiders on the team any of those years. I think the importance of outsiders to Jarlath's is probably somewhat exaggerated. It was a factor in their success but not a major one. As was mentioned their last 2 Hogan Cup winning teams were almost exclusively Galway lads. The difference being Jarlath's attracted lads from all over north and east Galway and a few from west Galway as well. Nowadays with the emergence of schools like Holy Rosary Mountbellew, Athenry, Claregalway and Oranmore. Young lads that would have gone to Jarlath's in the past now go to these local schools. Jarlath's would have hoovered up players from football mad areas like Mountbellew, Moylough and Caltra (The Meehan's for example) but those lads now go to Holy Rosary rather than Jarlath's. Result being Jarlath's are not as strong as they once were while a school like Holy Rosary have won the Senior B two years on the trot.

[Maroon Manc]

Galway have won 4 u21 All Irelands since 2002 and haven't won a Championship game in Croker in that time, that is appalling.

As someone who is looking from afar its hard to know whats going wrong with Galway but we're obviously producing talented players but turning them into good Senior players is proving a problem. I can only see 2 players from the 2011 & 2013 team in Comer & Walsh that may develop into really top players. 

If in 2001 we'd be told we'd win 4 u21 All Irelands in in the next 12 years but wouldn't win a game in Croker in that time you'd have laughed at it, it doesn't make any logical sense.

I haven't a clue but how many of the 2011 & 2013 but how of the players are with senior clubs? Off the top of my head Flynn & Cummins aren't, not sure about anyone else.

I've always been surprised that other counties don't copy Kerry's divisional championship, it sure is working for them in terms of producing county players and even Junior & intermediate club AI's as many of these players are exposed to a higher level of football.

Of the team that started the last day:
Maghnus Breathnach, David Wynne, Declan Kyne, Gareth Bradshaw, Tom Flynn, Danny Cummins, Shane Walsh will all be playing intermediate club football this year.

Sorry I meant those who played in either final who are not on the panel now and play for clubs who aren't senior football, perhaps not playing that level of football is a reason for their lack of progress. I thought Moycullen won the Intermediate Championship last year so Wynne & Bradshaw will be playing Senior championship?

[Duine Eile]

Galway have won 4 u21 All Irelands since 2002 and haven't won a Championship game in Croker in that time, that is appalling.

As someone who is looking from afar its hard to know whats going wrong with Galway but we're obviously producing talented players but turning them into good Senior players is proving a problem. I can only see 2 players from the 2011 & 2013 team in Comer & Walsh that may develop into really top players. 

If in 2001 we'd be told we'd win 4 u21 All Irelands in in the next 12 years but wouldn't win a game in Croker in that time you'd have laughed at it, it doesn't make any logical sense.

I haven't a clue but how many of the 2011 & 2013 but how of the players are with senior clubs? Off the top of my head Flynn & Cummins aren't, not sure about anyone else.

I've always been surprised that other counties don't copy Kerry's divisional championship, it sure is working for them in terms of producing county players and even Junior & intermediate club AI's as many of these players are exposed to a higher level of football.

Of the team that started the last day:
Maghnus Breathnach, David Wynne, Declan Kyne, Gareth Bradshaw, Tom Flynn, Danny Cummins, Shane Walsh will all be playing intermediate club football this year.

Sorry I meant those who played in either final who are not on the panel now and play for clubs who aren't senior football, perhaps not playing that level of football is a reason for their lack of progress. I thought Moycullen won the Intermediate Championship last year so Wynne & Bradshaw will be playing Senior championship?

Actually you could be right, I included Walsh alright, Kilkerrin Clonberne made the drop this year but forgot about the lads that went up! Oops!

[Duine Eile]

GALWAY: T Healy (Corofin); D Cunnane (St Michael's), J Shaughnessy (Ballinasloe), M Loughnane (St Gabriel's); P Varley (Cortoon), D Burke (Corofin), E Walsh (Moycullen); F Ó Curraoin (Micheal Breathnach), T Flynn (Athenry); C Mulryan (Cortoon), S Moran (Claregalway), D Comer (Annaghdown); S Walsh (Kilkerrin-Clonberne), A Varley (Cortoon), I Burke (Corofin).
Subs for Galway: C Rabbitte (Kilkerrin-Clonberne) for Moran (47); J Healy (Annaghdown) for Healy (inj 50); P Ezergailis (Moycullen) for Cunnane (54); G Kelly (Williamstown) for Burke, S Maughan (St Michael's) for A Varley (both 59).

Galway team and subs from 2013 final. A fair few of them have been given their chance but never seemed to make any headway, Shaughnessy was on the panel last year, Mulryan was there under Alan Mulholland, Ian Burke was there but left, Daithi Burke went with the hurlers, Shane Maughan was given his chance in th FBD this year but didn't really make an impact. (Also plays his club football with Salthill now!)

2011 All Ireland team

M Breathnach, G Sweeney, C Forde, A Tierney, J Moore (0-02), J Duane, T Fahy, T Flynn, F O Curraoin, C Doherty (0-01), M Hehir (0-07, 4f), M Boyle (0-02, 1f), D Cummins (0-04), P Sweeney (1-00), E Monahan (1-00).
Subs: A Murphy for Sweeney, M Farragher for Monahan, B Flaherty for Boyle, C Halloran for Fahy, C Silke for Tierney.

This was a seriously talented team, even more so than the 2013 team I think. In fairness most of them have gotten the chance at senior level but for some reason their ability wasn't carried with them or they didn't have the right attitude, Mark Hehir, Micheal Boyle for example,  never seemed to spark quite as well for the seniors.