Latest Stormont Deal.

Started by T Fearon, November 17, 2015, 08:59:30 PM

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Maguire01

Quote from: Rossfan on November 19, 2015, 10:55:09 AM
So if Northern Nationalists don't want an independent All Ireland State why are they still called " Nationalists".
Why don't they do the logical thing and vote Alliance?
Because they're still culturally Irish / Nationalist and SF / SDLP better represent them in that respect.

Maguire01

Quote from: Applesisapples on November 19, 2015, 10:02:41 AM
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Quote from: Maguire01 on November 18, 2015, 11:59:29 PM
Explain to me how they have a better deal?

I suppose SF reckon taking a hit on the declining nationalist turnout is a price worth paying so they can tell us free staters they are not implementing "austerity" in the O6.
But the "better deal" bit? I can't see it.
The alternative is the tory Government implementing full austerity measures so a reasonable compromise.
But it's not a better deal than the Stormont House Agreement from a year ago.

T Fearon

What does culturally Irish mean? Gay marriage? Drunkeness in Temple Bar? I'd say the cultural gap between nationalist North and South has never been as stark.

It's for this reason I am looking more at a Northern Irish identity,and would argue now the nationalist and unionist communities have more in common with each other than either has with the 26 counties or England/Scotland and Wales

Maguire01

Quote from: T Fearon on November 19, 2015, 10:14:02 PM
What does culturally Irish mean? Gay marriage? Drunkeness in Temple Bar? I'd say the cultural gap between nationalist North and South has never been as stark.

It's for this reason I am looking more at a Northern Irish identity,and would argue now the nationalist and unionist communities have more in common with each other than either has with the 26 counties or England/Scotland and Wales
It means that things like the GAA and Irish language are important.

And you really are obsessed by gay marriage. Time to build a bridge. Gay marriage is coming to Northern Ireland as well, it's just a matter of time.

T Fearon

Does it not also mean soccer,with both parts of Ireland celebrating Euro 2016 qualification.

I would argue that there is little unique Irish culture left,and the majority of Shinners and SDLP members can't speak Irish.

armaghniac

Quote from: T Fearon on November 19, 2015, 10:14:02 PM
What does culturally Irish mean? Gay marriage? Drunkeness in Temple Bar? I'd say the cultural gap between nationalist North and South has never been as stark.

So how is the culture of a person from Carrickmore different from a person in Carrick on Shannon?  Examples please.
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Rossfan

And what has someone from Belcoo got in common with a flegger from Larne? Other than being in the jurisdiction of Stormont/Westminster.
As for gay marriage I suspect 60% of 6 Co voters would vote for it given the chance.
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armaghniac

Quote from: Rossfan on November 19, 2015, 11:33:57 PM
As for gay marriage I suspect 60% of 6 Co voters would vote for it given the chance.

Well that shows a difference with the people of Roscommon.
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Rossfan

49/51.
I suspect Fermanagh would be much the same but the overall would match the overall in the 26.
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Applesisapples

Quote from: armaghniac on November 19, 2015, 11:09:07 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on November 19, 2015, 10:14:02 PM
What does culturally Irish mean? Gay marriage? Drunkeness in Temple Bar? I'd say the cultural gap between nationalist North and South has never been as stark.

So how is the culture of a person from Carrickmore different from a person in Carrick on Shannon?  Examples please.
Well the person from Carrickmore is culturally opposed to gayness.

T Fearon

There is an almost unbridgeable gap now by what one might call Northern nationalists and the Southern variety (never mind the insurmountable gap between Southern nationalists and unionists).100 years of partition has enforced this sadly.Examples of this would include the attitudes to the Queen (can you ever see her on a walkabout in Jonesboro market), Religion and a host of other social issues.

Farrandeelin

Quote from: T Fearon on November 20, 2015, 10:23:44 PM
There is an almost unbridgeable gap now by what one might call Northern nationalists and the Southern variety (never mind the insurmountable gap between Southern nationalists and unionists).100 years of partition has enforced this sadly.Examples of this would include the attitudes to the Queen (can you ever see her on a walkabout in Jonesboro market), Religion and a host of other social issues.

What social issues?
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Maguire01

Quote from: T Fearon on November 20, 2015, 10:23:44 PM
There is an almost unbridgeable gap now by what one might call Northern nationalists and the Southern variety (never mind the insurmountable gap between Southern nationalists and unionists).100 years of partition has enforced this sadly.Examples of this would include the attitudes to the Queen (can you ever see her on a walkabout in Jonesboro market), Religion and a host of other social issues.
It's a real shame. Apparently she loves a walk around the markets.