Kerry v Dublin

[Jinxy]

A definite red, no more no less.

[Wildweasel74]

Players these days wouldnt know what a skirmish is, all pile in knowing no body would actually striked for fear of senting off, they had try to pull this crap on the meath team 25yrs ago you still be picking up blue and navy bodies of the turf. Easy way to stop these rows, 3rd man / 4th Man in gets an automatic red, soon stop any trouble developing and the ref can discipline a pair of players better if trouble break out.

[blanketattack]

Very impressive performance by Kerry backs especially when you consider the oldest of Kerry's starting 6 backs was only 24. The 2nd half was particularly impressive, conceding 4  scores with the goal extremely fortuitous, this without probably the two best of their young backs in Crowley and Murphy, along with the oldies O'Mahony and Ó Sé. Never mind the forwards missing the player of the year and the player of the millennium.

[macdanger2]

I thought Sherwood was v good on Sunday actually

[rrhf]

THE BATTLE OF KILLARNEY ceratinly will whet the apetite for some tough bruising games ahead between these two.

[twohands!!!]

Very impressive performance by Kerry backs especially when you consider the oldest of Kerry's starting 6 backs was only 24. The 2nd half was particularly impressive, conceding 4  scores with the goal extremely fortuitous, this without probably the two best of their young backs in Crowley and Murphy, along with the oldies O'Mahony and Ó Sé. Never mind the forwards missing the player of the year and the player of the millennium.

I'd say a large factor in the 2nd half was down to how much on top Kerry were at midfield - very little ball even went into the Kerry half of the pitch in the 2nd half. I'd say the Kerry backs had way more to do in the first half in terms of defending compared to the 2nd half. I think that the 6 that starters in defence are still fairly inexperienced, odd as that might seem to be - I'd say the number of championship games they have started between them as a unit is fairly small. I do think the competition for places in the backs is a lot less than in the forwards for Kerry. Really think the squad depth there is only middling. I really can't see O'Mahoney maintaining the same sort of form as he had last year and I thought Marc O'Se looked a fair bit off his best and I had expected him to retire. I think it will be interesting to see how he fares this year as I did know someone who broke a cocyx once and it can be a nightmare of a thing to get right. A couple of injuries and I could see the Kerry defence looking very very ordinary.

Currie's kickout going to mush must have sent shivers down Gavin's spine I'd imagine, given how the game-plan went to pot and the gap in quality between Currie and Cluxton, I think an injury to Cluxton would easily be the biggest blow to Dublin's chances.

I think refs seem far more willing to black card keepers, especially as regards drag-downs in the square so I could easily see a situation where that could cause Cluxton to get the line. In the longer-term you wonder how many more years Cluxton has left given he's 34 next birthday which even for a keeper is getting up there.

Also there has been little talk of how off form the Dublin attack were -[been a while since they only scored 1-10 in a game] I think that they are unlikely to be in such poor form next weekend especially on their home patch and wouldn't be surprised if they put a bit of a beating on Tyrone.

[Hill16 Blues]

Very impressive performance by Kerry backs especially when you consider the oldest of Kerry's starting 6 backs was only 24. The 2nd half was particularly impressive, conceding 4  scores with the goal extremely fortuitous, this without probably the two best of their young backs in Crowley and Murphy, along with the oldies O'Mahony and Ó Sé. Never mind the forwards missing the player of the year and the player of the millennium.

I'd say a large factor in the 2nd half was down to how much on top Kerry were at midfield - very little ball even went into the Kerry half of the pitch in the 2nd half. I'd say the Kerry backs had way more to do in the first half in terms of defending compared to the 2nd half. I think that the 6 that starters in defence are still fairly inexperienced, odd as that might seem to be - I'd say the number of championship games they have started between them as a unit is fairly small. I do think the competition for places in the backs is a lot less than in the forwards for Kerry. Really think the squad depth there is only middling. I really can't see O'Mahoney maintaining the same sort of form as he had last year and I thought Marc O'Se looked a fair bit off his best and I had expected him to retire. I think it will be interesting to see how he fares this year as I did know someone who broke a cocyx once and it can be a nightmare of a thing to get right. A couple of injuries and I could see the Kerry defence looking very very ordinary.

Currie's kickout going to mush must have sent shivers down Gavin's spine I'd imagine, given how the game-plan went to pot and the gap in quality between Currie and Cluxton, I think an injury to Cluxton would easily be the biggest blow to Dublin's chances.

I think refs seem far more willing to black card keepers, especially as regards drag-downs in the square so I could easily see a situation where that could cause Cluxton to get the line. In the longer-term you wonder how many more years Cluxton has left given he's 34 next birthday which even for a keeper is getting up there.

Also there has been little talk of how off form the Dublin attack were -[been a while since they only scored 1-10 in a game] I think that they are unlikely to be in such poor form next weekend especially on their home patch and wouldn't be surprised if they put a bit of a beating on Tyrone.

Lorcan Molloy the Dublin u21 keeper will be no 2 to Cluxton. He is fine kicker of dead ball. Not as good as Cluxton obviously but still very good. Currie isn't even no 3 as Savage from Vincent's is also ahead of Him.

As for Dublin forwards last Sun none of the following started / were available - Paul Flynn, Diarmuid Connolly, Alan Brogan, Paddy Andrews, Paul Mannion. Will be different team when those guys come back as most are first choice. MDMA, James McCarthy, Ger Brennan, Cian OSuulivan and Kevin OBrien also close to returning. All should be back playing before end of league plus 1/2 more from u 21s hopefully.

[larryin89]

Very impressive performance by Kerry backs especially when you consider the oldest of Kerry's starting 6 backs was only 24. The 2nd half was particularly impressive, conceding 4  scores with the goal extremely fortuitous, this without probably the two best of their young backs in Crowley and Murphy, along with the oldies O'Mahony and Ó Sé. Never mind the forwards missing the player of the year and the player of the millennium.

I'd say a large factor in the 2nd half was down to how much on top Kerry were at midfield - very little ball even went into the Kerry half of the pitch in the 2nd half. I'd say the Kerry backs had way more to do in the first half in terms of defending compared to the 2nd half. I think that the 6 that starters in defence are still fairly inexperienced, odd as that might seem to be - I'd say the number of championship games they have started between them as a unit is fairly small. I do think the competition for places in the backs is a lot less than in the forwards for Kerry. Really think the squad depth there is only middling. I really can't see O'Mahoney maintaining the same sort of form as he had last year and I thought Marc O'Se looked a fair bit off his best and I had expected him to retire. I think it will be interesting to see how he fares this year as I did know someone who broke a cocyx once and it can be a nightmare of a thing to get right. A couple of injuries and I could see the Kerry defence looking very very ordinary.

Currie's kickout going to mush must have sent shivers down Gavin's spine I'd imagine, given how the game-plan went to pot and the gap in quality between Currie and Cluxton, I think an injury to Cluxton would easily be the biggest blow to Dublin's chances.

I think refs seem far more willing to black card keepers, especially as regards drag-downs in the square so I could easily see a situation where that could cause Cluxton to get the line. In the longer-term you wonder how many more years Cluxton has left given he's 34 next birthday which even for a keeper is getting up there.

Also there has been little talk of how off form the Dublin attack were -[been a while since they only scored 1-10 in a game] I think that they are unlikely to be in such poor form next weekend especially on their home patch and wouldn't be surprised if they put a bit of a beating on Tyrone.

Lorcan Molloy the Dublin u21 keeper will be no 2 to Cluxton. He is fine kicker of dead ball. Not as good as Cluxton obviously but still very good. Currie isn't even no 3 as Savage from Vincent's is also ahead of Him.

As for Dublin forwards last Sun none of the following started / were available - Paul Flynn, Diarmuid Connolly, Alan Brogan, Paddy Andrews, Paul Mannion. Will be different team when those guys come back as most are first choice. MDMA, James McCarthy, Ger Brennan, Cian OSuulivan and Kevin OBrien also close to returning. All should be back playing before end of league plus 1/2 more from u 21s hopefully.

Ahh yer clutchin at straws with that lot buddy.

[Keane]

Lorcan Molloy the Dublin u21 keeper will be no 2 to Cluxton. He is fine kicker of dead ball. Not as good as Cluxton obviously but still very good. Currie isn't even no 3 as Savage from Vincent's is also ahead of Him.

As for Dublin forwards last Sun none of the following started / were available - Paul Flynn, Diarmuid Connolly, Alan Brogan, Paddy Andrews, Paul Mannion. Will be different team when those guys come back as most are first choice. MDMA, James McCarthy, Ger Brennan, Cian OSuulivan and Kevin OBrien also close to returning. All should be back playing before end of league plus 1/2 more from u 21s hopefully.

Paul Mannion isn't coming back.

[squire_in_navy_slacks]

Very impressive performance by Kerry backs especially when you consider the oldest of Kerry's starting 6 backs was only 24. The 2nd half was particularly impressive, conceding 4  scores with the goal extremely fortuitous, this without probably the two best of their young backs in Crowley and Murphy, along with the oldies O'Mahony and Ó Sé. Never mind the forwards missing the player of the year and the player of the millennium.

I'd say a large factor in the 2nd half was down to how much on top Kerry were at midfield - very little ball even went into the Kerry half of the pitch in the 2nd half. I'd say the Kerry backs had way more to do in the first half in terms of defending compared to the 2nd half. I think that the 6 that starters in defence are still fairly inexperienced, odd as that might seem to be - I'd say the number of championship games they have started between them as a unit is fairly small. I do think the competition for places in the backs is a lot less than in the forwards for Kerry. Really think the squad depth there is only middling. I really can't see O'Mahoney maintaining the same sort of form as he had last year and I thought Marc O'Se looked a fair bit off his best and I had expected him to retire. I think it will be interesting to see how he fares this year as I did know someone who broke a cocyx once and it can be a nightmare of a thing to get right. A couple of injuries and I could see the Kerry defence looking very very ordinary.

Currie's kickout going to mush must have sent shivers down Gavin's spine I'd imagine, given how the game-plan went to pot and the gap in quality between Currie and Cluxton, I think an injury to Cluxton would easily be the biggest blow to Dublin's chances.

I think refs seem far more willing to black card keepers, especially as regards drag-downs in the square so I could easily see a situation where that could cause Cluxton to get the line. In the longer-term you wonder how many more years Cluxton has left given he's 34 next birthday which even for a keeper is getting up there.

Also there has been little talk of how off form the Dublin attack were -[been a while since they only scored 1-10 in a game] I think that they are unlikely to be in such poor form next weekend especially on their home patch and wouldn't be surprised if they put a bit of a beating on Tyrone.

Lorcan Molloy the Dublin u21 keeper will be no 2 to Cluxton. He is fine kicker of dead ball. Not as good as Cluxton obviously but still very good. Currie isn't even no 3 as Savage from Vincent's is also ahead of Him.

As for Dublin forwards last Sun none of the following started / were available - Paul Flynn, Diarmuid Connolly, Alan Brogan, Paddy Andrews, Paul Mannion. Will be different team when those guys come back as most are first choice. MDMA, James McCarthy, Ger Brennan, Cian OSuulivan and Kevin OBrien also close to returning. All should be back playing before end of league plus 1/2 more from u 21s hopefully.

Ahh yer clutchin at straws with that lot buddy.

Mannion is in Asia studying, cannot see him getting a run this year unless

[Croí na hÉireann]

Ah give me a break, 3 months? No strike, just a push. A yellow at best.

You don't push someone with a closed fist and a forearm.

[twohands!!!]

Is Mannion completely out of consideration for the full championship ? Any chance he might be done in the East at the end of May/June ?

Also evidence on the importance of Cluxton to Dublin

John Fogarty ‏@JohnFogartyIrl  1h1 hour ago
Dublin's record without Stephen Cluxton in league and championship since 2002: Played 22 Won 12 Drawn 3 Lost 7 (54.5% win rate) #GAA

I presume that doesn't include the 2 games Cluxton has been sent off in over that period - the draw in the league and the loss to Armagh in 2003

[blewuporstuffed]

Is Mannion completely out of consideration for the full championship ? Any chance he might be done in the East at the end of May/June ?

Also evidence on the importance of Cluxton to Dublin

John Fogarty ‏@JohnFogartyIrl  1h1 hour ago
Dublin's record without Stephen Cluxton in league and championship since 2002: Played 22 Won 12 Drawn 3 Lost 7 (54.5% win rate) #GAA

I presume that doesn't include the 2 games Cluxton has been sent off in over that period - the draw in the league and the loss to Armagh in 2003
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If i remember correctly after that game Brolly said Cluxton shouldnt play for dublin again ....

[Croí na hÉireann]

Is Mannion completely out of consideration for the full championship ? Any chance he might be done in the East at the end of May/June ?

Also evidence on the importance of Cluxton to Dublin

John Fogarty ‏@JohnFogartyIrl  1h1 hour ago
Dublin's record without Stephen Cluxton in league and championship since 2002: Played 22 Won 12 Drawn 3 Lost 7 (54.5% win rate) #GAA

I presume that doesn't include the 2 games Cluxton has been sent off in over that period - the draw in the league and the loss to Armagh in 2003

If i remember correctly after that game Brolly said Cluxton shouldnt play for dublin again ....
[/quote]

Think it was Tommy Lyons who said that 

[Hill16 Blues]

Lorcan Molloy the Dublin u21 keeper will be no 2 to Cluxton. He is fine kicker of dead ball. Not as good as Cluxton obviously but still very good. Currie isn't even no 3 as Savage from Vincent's is also ahead of Him.

As for Dublin forwards last Sun none of the following started / were available - Paul Flynn, Diarmuid Connolly, Alan Brogan, Paddy Andrews, Paul Mannion. Will be different team when those guys come back as most are first choice. MDMA, James McCarthy, Ger Brennan, Cian OSuulivan and Kevin OBrien also close to returning. All should be back playing before end of league plus 1/2 more from u 21s hopefully.

Paul Mannion isn't coming back.

He is due back in Apr/May and is expected to rejoin the panel. Whether that's too late to feature in championship remains to be seen!