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[lynchbhoy]

I can remember about ten years ago Harney and the government saying we would need about 100,000 immigrants to fill the vacant jobs. So are these people supposed to just f**k off back where they came from after uprooting themselves to move to Ireland and build new lives because suddenly Irish people want those jobs back for themselves?

IF we had a proper green card system in place, then immigrants would know the duration of their life in Ireland could be limited and tied to their job

its the same for others in places like usa and Australia

its similar for people working on contract jobs (ok not deported) - if they opt for working in contracts, they know when the job ends, that's that.

fellas in the building game followed the work. theyd be working in London, then Birmingham, Dublin, back to London etc as that's how it was

they've got way too soft in recent years, whinging about having to go to England or further abroad to get work.
that's the career they chose, that's the life.

I knew when I worked in the US that after my work ended my visa was up and I had to go home (I could have stayed illegally).

I don't think anyone would or could say that people in jobs should be kicked out of them to make room for unemployed Irish - that's the first mention I have ever heard of that. Maybe people are saying it around the country - its def a new thing to me and that wouldn't, wont and cannot happen.

[J70]

But I thought the EU was all about open borders and no visas or work permits?

[lynchbhoy]

But I thought the EU was all about open borders and no visas or work permits?

the people I am talking about are not EU citizens
but we need them as obv there are not enough in EU to satisfy our IT requirements presently

[thebigfella]

But I thought the EU was all about open borders and no visas or work permits?

the people I am talking about are not EU citizens
but we need them as obv there are not enough cheap resources in EU to satisfy our IT requirements presently

Fixed that for you

[foxcommander]

I can remember about ten years ago Harney and the government saying we would need about 100,000 immigrants to fill the vacant jobs. So are these people supposed to just f**k off back where they came from after uprooting themselves to move to Ireland and build new lives because suddenly Irish people want those jobs back for themselves?

No but work is transient and anyone who moves to another country should know that. There is no obligation on the host country to provide citizenship or a safety net in such circumstances but employment law to ensure they are compensated correctly should be put in place. If you are bringing family with you then you know the risks that they may be uprooted again.

This is why work visas would help in such situations. You get granted a permit for say 2 years. You know the amount of time you have and can make plans accordingly. If you are in employment then you can re-apply after 18 months for extention for another 2 years. If you don't have work then give a 6 month extension to help you find work / give you time to move.

The government can then track the amount of positions that are legally filled by non-eu workers and plan services accordingly. Anyone who doesnt have a visa or is not a named dependent on the visa doesn't have rights to remain in the country.

Supply and demand.

[foxcommander]

But I thought the EU was all about open borders and no visas or work permits?

the people I am talking about are not EU citizens
but we need them as obv there are not enough cheap resources in EU to satisfy our IT requirements presently

Fixed that for you

Yourself and Lynchbhoy pretty much summed it up. Cheap non-eu labour being enticed into the eurozone. Same sort of thing happening in the USA as well. The numbers in poverty over there are growing steadily.

It's amazing how many people can't see past the end of their own nose

[GalwayBayBoy]

St. Jarlath's College

I don't think anyone got this but it made me laugh.

[lynchbhoy]

But I thought the EU was all about open borders and no visas or work permits?

the people I am talking about are not EU citizens
but we need them as obv there are not enough cheap resources in EU to satisfy our IT requirements presently

Fixed that for you

Are you a recruitment consultant ?

Ok the immigrants coming in might be a tad cheaper - but many experienced resources just can't be got in the EU!
IMO it's not to bring in cheap workers!

A proper green card system would keep everyone happy. No one could complain afterwards!
In this event you couldn't question that such people were cheap labour or not!

[muppet]

St. Jarlath's College

I don't think anyone got this but it made me laugh.

The old CBS would have qualified as well.

[thebigfella]

But I thought the EU was all about open borders and no visas or work permits?

the people I am talking about are not EU citizens
but we need them as obv there are not enough cheap resources in EU to satisfy our IT requirements presently

Fixed that for you

Are you a recruitment consultant ?

Ok the immigrants coming in might be a tad cheaper - but many experienced resources just can't be got in the EU!
IMO it's not to bring in cheap workers!

A proper green card system would keep everyone happy. No one could complain afterwards!
In this event you couldn't question that such people were cheap labour or not!

Nope don't work in recruitment and certainly don't agree with foxdungmander.

I will say this, I have first hand experience of 3 multinationals paid huge innovation grants etc... to create jobs here and offshore everything to vendors. They are not a tad cheaper and not experienced but it's all about the bottom line with the bean counters. The quality is here and certainly in the EU.

[foxcommander]

I will say this, I have first hand experience of 3 multinationals paid huge innovation grants etc... to create jobs here and offshore everything to vendors. They are not a tad cheaper and not experienced but it's all about the bottom line with the bean counters. The quality is here and certainly in the EU.

Is this supposed to be in English? Please decipher.

[lynchbhoy]

But I thought the EU was all about open borders and no visas or work permits?

the people I am talking about are not EU citizens
but we need them as obv there are not enough cheap resources in EU to satisfy our IT requirements presently

Fixed that for you

Are you a recruitment consultant ?

Ok the immigrants coming in might be a tad cheaper - but many experienced resources just can't be got in the EU!
IMO it's not to bring in cheap workers!

A proper green card system would keep everyone happy. No one could complain afterwards!
In this event you couldn't question that such people were cheap labour or not!

Nope don't work in recruitment and certainly don't agree with foxdungmander.

I will say this, I have first hand experience of 3 multinationals paid huge innovation grants etc... to create jobs here and offshore everything to vendors. They are not a tad cheaper and not experienced but it's all about the bottom line with the bean counters. The quality is here and certainly in the EU.

Are these roles in the north? If so then I have only a bit of exp regarding recruitment there, but it wouldn't surprise me a lot with those multiple makey up jobs that are purely set up to obtain grants etc!
Where else would you get money to create an industry around accented English slang and call it alstar skats!!
Other jobs are to create employment - not necessarily profit or a product- usually the aim of a commercial company!
The whole equal employment thing immediately goes against recruiting the best person for the job mantra anyway ! IMO

Maybe the industry you are talking about is flouting decency if not the law by hiring cheap workers- which is why we need a proper green card system.

I know in the south for IT programmers and most IT areas, the experienced and quality people are not avail in Ireland or EU so non EU workers are the only alternative.

Yourself and mr fox are saying much the same thing- though he just sounds right wing in saying it. He hasn't said anything bad IMO.
No one here wants people kicked out of jobs. We all want proper immigration work system in place to give priority to citizens.
Exploitation of workers is also a portion of this that needs to be addressed as it still happens.

[Syferus]

St. Jarlath's College

I don't think anyone got this but it made me laugh.

Any alum of a proper college like St. Nathy's would have got it. Jarlath's probably use Connacht titles for bike shed ash trays at this stage.