Square ball rule on its way out?

Started by Eamonnca1, December 01, 2011, 10:20:58 PM

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Hardy

Quote from: fitzroyalty on April 16, 2012, 03:12:11 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on April 16, 2012, 01:44:00 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 15, 2012, 07:27:30 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on April 15, 2012, 11:42:01 AM
When will the new rule come in to force? Will it be effective from this year's championship or not till next year's league?
Usual thing is 2 weeks after the Congress.
I thought it was one month?

Quote from: fitzroyalty on April 15, 2012, 09:39:07 PM
Can someone explain the rules for when a penalty is not a penalty but instead a free kick inside the big square? Is it technical fouls committed by the defence or what?
Making any foul in your own small square is a penalty kick. Within the large square but outside the small square, committing a foul against a player is a penalty (personal fouls) but fouling the ball (technical fouls) results in a 13 metre free kick to the opposition parallel to where the foul took place. These technical fouls IIRC are "Category D" fouls.

A free kick to the attacking team cannot take place inside the boundaries of the penalty area - in football all free kicks awarded are taken no less than 13 metres from the end line (and 20 metres in hurling I believe). That can be confused with soccer, where an indirect free kick (one you cannot score directly from without it touching another player once the kick is taken) can be awarded inside that penalty area.
Thanks for that.

What if, the attacking team is in possession inside the big square, the player is hauled to the ground (still clearly inside the big square) and the whistle is blown for a foul.

Under what circumstances would this be a 13m free in?

The only one I can think of is that Paddy Russell is refereeing.

ziggysego

Quote from: Hardy on April 16, 2012, 03:20:03 PM
The only one I can think of is that Paddy Russell is refereeing.

He retired after the 2005 season.
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FermGael

I am open to correction but is it not a foul to physically touch
The keeper in the square?
All the keeper has to do is jump into the forward in the square,
Make sure they make contact and its a free out?
Wanted.  Forwards to take frees.
Not fussy.  Any sort of ability will be considered

Denn Forever

Quote from: FermGael on April 17, 2012, 10:38:25 PM
I am open to correction but is it not a foul to physically touch
The keeper in the square?
All the keeper has to do is jump into the forward in the square,
Make sure they make contact and its a free out?

You can't tackle the goalkeeper when they have procession of the ball inside the small square.  Outside the square, they are fair game.

In the part in bold, if that happens the goalkeeper should be peanalised for charging.
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PAULD123

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Quote from: Denn Forever on April 17, 2012, 11:11:27 PM
Quote from: FermGael on April 17, 2012, 10:38:25 PM
I am open to correction but is it not a foul to physically touch
The keeper in the square?
All the keeper has to do is jump into the forward in the square,
Make sure they make contact and its a free out?

You can't tackle the goalkeeper when they have procession of the ball inside the small square.  Outside the square, they are fair game.

In the part in bold, if that happens the goalkeeper should be peanalised for charging.

Ah now come on it's not that simple. The attacker has to actually move decisively at the keeper, not just make contact. As Denn-Forever says If the keeper runs into him then that is the keeper's problem. Of course refereeing is judgemental but I think most referees would agree that the keeper can not initiate the contact.

Look it's a bit like soccer (all below apply to the small square only):

  • If the keeper gets the ball cleanly and afterwards goes through an attacker then that is  fair clean catch and play continues
  • If the keeper goes through an attacker to get the ball in one movement then generally the referee will let that go (keepers are quite well protected)
  • If the keeper goes through an attacker and afterwards in a second movement gets the ball (say from off the ground or from a bounce) then that should be a penalty, but who knows, the referee may let it go by considering it a 50/50 accidental collision.
  • If the keeper gets first contact to the ball and then collides with a stationary attacker then that is his problem. If he drops the ball then again that is his problem and play goes on. An attacker can stand his ground there is no rule against that.
  • If the keeper goes through an attacker and does not get the ball but stops the attacker from getting it then that is a penalty.
  • If an attacker jumps at a keeper and contacts him and after that/during that makes contact with the ball then it is not a goal it is a free kick.
  • If an attacker jumps at a keeper but gets contact with the ball first and only then contacts the keeper then in most cases the referee would allow any goal scored. Or allow the player to take possession of the ball
The Rule (Rule 1.9) States:
When he is within the small rectangle, the goalkeeper may not be charged but he may be challenged for possession of the ball, and his puck, kick or pass may be blocked. Incidental contact with the goalkeeper while playing the ball is permitted.