Muineachán v Laois - 15/07/12

timmyot501 · July 16, 2012, 01:06:19 AM

Eamonn has of course given plenty to monaghan over the years especially as a player. One of the best ever to wear the white and blue colours. Unfortunately as a manager it hasn't been as rosey. And today summed it up really. We were going backwards at half time a a couple of switches needed to be tried. Yet we waited and waited and some players who were getting roasted managed to remain on the field for most of the game. Not surprised he stepped down. Results speak for themselves.

omagh_gael · July 16, 2012, 01:07:39 AM

Return of the Banty?

The Subbie · July 16, 2012, 08:16:16 AM

Quote from: omagh_gael on July 16, 2012, 01:07:39 AM
Return of the Banty?

That would set things back another 5-10 years.

Main Street · July 16, 2012, 10:36:29 AM

Banty's legacy had its ups and downs but at least I could watch Monaghan games on satellite

Who knows when that will happen again.

Are there some likely candidates who would want the job?

Maguire01 · July 16, 2012, 09:57:28 PM

Quote from: babarino on July 16, 2012, 12:15:06 AM
Eamon McEnaney has been a great servant to Monaghan football, as has Paul Finlay and both don't deserve any crap. Many 'supporters' have been very critical of Eamon harshly. Both have been loyal to Monaghan's cause and deserve immense credit. We need Monaghan men with the will and the required passion to bring us to the level we're capable of playing at. We shouldn't need to be looking outside the county for this.

Where to now? We clearly need a new attitude that looks beyond the 'do or die' in the Ulster Championship. Division 3 is where we can to start blooding new players to benefit from the experienced. As Eamon said, it's going to take 3 years.

So you question 'supporters' because they are critical of the management? Worth reading Dick's recent column in the Examiner - http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/dick-clerkin/angry-fans-can-raise-standards-197702.html

Yes, Eamonn was a great player, but should never have been appointed as Banty's replacement, given his previous management spell with Monaghan and his time with Louth. There was absolutely nothing to suggest that he was the man to bring us to (in the County Board's words) 'the next level'. It takes more than 'will' and 'passion' to make a team successful.

As for Eamonn saying it's going to take 3 years... well if we hadn't just wasted 2 years... And i'm all for a 'do or die' approach to the Ulster Championship. Let's be realistic - it's our only hope for proper silverware. It's not as if we've sacrificed a few All Irelands to give Ulster a bash!

babarino · July 16, 2012, 11:30:54 PM

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So you question 'supporters' because they are critical of the management? Worth reading Dick's recent column in the Examiner - http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/dick-clerkin/angry-fans-can-raise-standards-197702.html

Yes, Eamonn was a great player, but should never have been appointed as Banty's replacement, given his previous management spell with Monaghan and his time with Louth. There was absolutely nothing to suggest that he was the man to bring us to (in the County Board's words) 'the next level'. It takes more than 'will' and 'passion' to make a team successful.

As for Eamonn saying it's going to take 3 years... well if we hadn't just wasted 2 years... And i'm all for a 'do or die' approach to the Ulster Championship. Let's be realistic - it's our only hope for proper silverware. It's not as if we've sacrificed a few All Irelands to give Ulster a bash!

There's no point in having a cut at the decision to appoint E McE now. The 'supporters' I was referring to relate to another popular GAA forum, full of keyboard warriors, who never gave him a chance from Day 1, even after we got trounced in the Ulster final under the previous manager. Of course supporters are entitled to criticise how the team they support perform or how it is managed.

Perhaps I wasn't clear regarding Monaghan's approach to the qualifiers. Good sides are developed in the qualifiers, as we have done in the past under Banty. Any team with any sort of ambition has to give it a lash. And I don't really understand why so many Monaghan supporters dismiss us as perennial All Ireland no hopers. Down have won five with players from a small number of clubs in the south of the county. Offaly have won hurling All Irelands with only a few clubs playing the game. There are many examples of counties with limited resources scooping the big one. Derry in the 90s is a good example.

Luck and timing are important of course. The Monaghan side of '85 would have been good enough to win it in other years. It has been done before with limited resources. Ambition and confidence, necessary ingredients for any success in sport, is very lacking in Monaghan, with the very notable exception of the women.

timmyot501 · July 17, 2012, 12:05:12 AM

Listening to lots of supporters at the time of eamons appointment and many including me felt that he was not the right man. Great player and gave plenty to the cause over the years but had no intercounty success wit monaghan or louth in the past. I was willing to give him the chance tho. I went to every game and i got less and less confident that anything was going to happen bar when we beat a poor galway side in our first home league match. I thought maybe?? But then we got relegated. So based on his previous record i think that is why some supporters were not willing to get over optimistic wit his appointment. It could now be a long road back to div 2 unfortunately.

All of a Sludden · July 17, 2012, 12:29:05 AM

Quote from: timmyot501 on July 17, 2012, 12:05:12 AM
Great player and gave plenty to the cause over the years but had no intercounty success wit monaghan or louth in the past.

Louth won the NFL Division 2 in 2006, beating Donegal in the final in Breffni Park under McEnaney.

seafoid · July 17, 2012, 09:36:55 AM

Quote from: Maguire01 on July 15, 2012, 04:44:02 PM
From division 1 to division 3 in the League and one win from 5 in the Championship. Hopefully this draws a line under a sorry two years. And let's hope McEnaney and his management team have the good grace to call it a day.

Is that you Hardy?

Main Street · July 17, 2012, 11:43:30 AM

At least, on the way down, we beat Kildare.

Main Street · July 17, 2012, 11:48:12 AM

Quote from: babarino on July 16, 2012, 11:30:54 PM

There's no point in having a cut at the decision to appoint E McE now.

Eamon hasn't shown enough these past 2 seasons that he can cut it as manager of the county team.
There are no grounds for optimism.

Hardy · July 17, 2012, 11:59:44 AM

Quote from: seafoid on July 17, 2012, 09:36:55 AM
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 15, 2012, 04:44:02 PM
From division 1 to division 3 in the League and one win from 5 in the Championship. Hopefully this draws a line under a sorry two years. And let's hope McEnaney and his management team have the good grace to call it a day.
Is that you Hardy?

No. But I'm beginning to see a pattern with these McEneaney lads.

babarino · July 17, 2012, 12:36:29 PM

Quote from: Main Street on July 17, 2012, 11:48:12 AM
Quote from: babarino on July 16, 2012, 11:30:54 PM

There's no point in having a cut at the decision to appoint E McE now.

Eamon hasn't shown enough these past 2 seasons that he can cut it as manager of the county team.
There are no grounds for optimism.

He's gone now, and the stats show record was poor. While he was hit badly with injuries, it was when the Under 21 got hammered in Celtic Park a few months ago that it was clear we're not making any progress. He took on more than he could deal with. In fairness to whoever the next manager is, it's going to involve alot more that one man and his background team. The county board clearly have a massive role and every club in the county has to buy into it and pull together.

Maguire01 · July 17, 2012, 07:35:13 PM

Quote from: babarino on July 16, 2012, 11:30:54 PM
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So you question 'supporters' because they are critical of the management? Worth reading Dick's recent column in the Examiner - http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/dick-clerkin/angry-fans-can-raise-standards-197702.html

Yes, Eamonn was a great player, but should never have been appointed as Banty's replacement, given his previous management spell with Monaghan and his time with Louth. There was absolutely nothing to suggest that he was the man to bring us to (in the County Board's words) 'the next level'. It takes more than 'will' and 'passion' to make a team successful.

As for Eamonn saying it's going to take 3 years... well if we hadn't just wasted 2 years... And i'm all for a 'do or die' approach to the Ulster Championship. Let's be realistic - it's our only hope for proper silverware. It's not as if we've sacrificed a few All Irelands to give Ulster a bash!

There's no point in having a cut at the decision to appoint E McE now. The 'supporters' I was referring to relate to another popular GAA forum, full of keyboard warriors, who never gave him a chance from Day 1, even after we got trounced in the Ulster final under the previous manager. Of course supporters are entitled to criticise how the team they support perform or how it is managed.

The point is, Banty was given the boot with the promise that a manager would be appointed who would take Monaghan to 'the next level'. There was no basis to suggest that Eamonn McEnaney was the man to do that - many fans (or call them keyboard warriors if you wish) could see this. We had our most successful period in 20 years, even if we did fall at the final hurdle on a number of occassions - in my opinion, there was no point in replacing Banty unless there was a top level manager, with a proven track record of success, waiting in the wings.

And as bad as the 2010 Ulster final was, a drubbing at the hands of Tyrone is a lot easier to take than being well beaten by the likes of Offaly or Laois.