Protein Supplement Drinks - Whats the story

[AbbeySider]

thats great if you are training to be a triathlete but
sheep farming, eating decent food - loads of veg, no junk and everyting in moderation (no booze)
and play football football football (prob same for hurling) - you will get as much speed agility and so on as you need.
For extra speed, agility and peripheral vision, in winter time play basketball, boxing and yoga if yer up to it.
sit ups pressups etc all year round.

triathlete? 
No I think thats roughly what any GAA player needs to aim for if they dont own a sheep farm or work on a building site IMO!

But this time of year its no harm to let the diet slip a bit.

You cant go around all year eating perfectly and not drinking because you will burn out fast and get sick of the dedication when you are not training towards a goal in the off season.

Even Michael Phelps and the best athletes in the world have an off season.
I agree with your sentiments but only during the season.

BTW you hit the nail on the head with the vegetables.
I try and eat double portions of veg for carbs instead of having potato (or very little potato) on the days I train (during the season).
I rarely eat red meat (never during the season) as it just doesnt suit me.

One thing I will ask any dietitions reading the thread....

Ricky Hatton eats a full (massive) English breakfast on the morning of a fight. He was quoted saying that it doesnt actually matter what you eat the day of a big event as you store your energy the days leading up to the event.

I cant figure out of that is bull or if there is actual science behind it.

[lynchbhoy]

thats great if you are training to be a triathlete but
sheep farming, eating decent food - loads of veg, no junk and everyting in moderation (no booze)
and play football football football (prob same for hurling) - you will get as much speed agility and so on as you need.
For extra speed, agility and peripheral vision, in winter time play basketball, boxing and yoga if yer up to it.
sit ups pressups etc all year round.

triathlete? 
No I think thats roughly what any GAA player needs to aim for if they dont own a sheep farm or work on a building site IMO!

But this time of year its no harm to let the diet slip a bit.

You cant go around all year eating perfectly and not drinking because you will burn out fast and get sick of the dedication when you are not training towards a goal in the off season.

Even Michael Phelps and the best athletes in the world have an off season.
I agree with your sentiments but only during the season.

BTW you hit the nail on the head with the vegetables.
I try and eat double portions of veg for carbs instead of having potato (or very little potato) on the days I train (during the season).
I rarely eat red meat (never during the season) as it just doesnt suit me.

One thing I will ask any dietitions reading the thread....

Ricky Hatton eats a full (massive) English breakfast on the morning of a fight. He was quoted saying that it doesnt actually matter what you eat the day of a big event as you store your energy the days leading up to the event.

I cant figure out of that is bull or if there is actual science behind it.

I'd say its more psychology thats behind hattons morning breakfast !
Would agree with you for the rest - esp that a sheep farmer or building site worker dont need the same kind of training.

though there could be a diff train of though given to tailoring sprint  speed for corner backs and corner forwards - with less focus on stamina..
converse for half back/forwards and mf

[AbbeySider]

thats great if you are training to be a triathlete but
sheep farming, eating decent food - loads of veg, no junk and everyting in moderation (no booze)
and play football football football (prob same for hurling) - you will get as much speed agility and so on as you need.
For extra speed, agility and peripheral vision, in winter time play basketball, boxing and yoga if yer up to it.
sit ups pressups etc all year round.

triathlete? 
No I think thats roughly what any GAA player needs to aim for if they dont own a sheep farm or work on a building site IMO!

But this time of year its no harm to let the diet slip a bit.

You cant go around all year eating perfectly and not drinking because you will burn out fast and get sick of the dedication when you are not training towards a goal in the off season.

Even Michael Phelps and the best athletes in the world have an off season.
I agree with your sentiments but only during the season.

BTW you hit the nail on the head with the vegetables.
I try and eat double portions of veg for carbs instead of having potato (or very little potato) on the days I train (during the season).
I rarely eat red meat (never during the season) as it just doesnt suit me.

One thing I will ask any dietitions reading the thread....

Ricky Hatton eats a full (massive) English breakfast on the morning of a fight. He was quoted saying that it doesnt actually matter what you eat the day of a big event as you store your energy the days leading up to the event.

I cant figure out of that is bull or if there is actual science behind it.

I'd say its more psychology thats behind hattons morning breakfast !
Would agree with you for the rest - esp that a sheep farmer or building site worker dont need the same kind of training.

though there could be a diff train of though given to tailoring sprint  speed for corner backs and corner forwards - with less focus on stamina..
converse for half back/forwards and mf

Your probably right about Hatton! It didnt help him against Mayweather or Pacquiao anyway! 

On the other point, some of the most powerful players I know are roofing and working on building sites.
But the roofers especially are really powerful. I suppose its all natural lifting of beams and planks.
When you think about it, all they do all day is deadlifting, pressing, cleans etc. Strange thing is that those guys never go near a gym, but even stranger they cant bench press to save their lives, so that tells its own story.

On your point about different types of training for positions, I used to think the exact same way; but I dont agree with that any more.

The thing is that the game is changing as of late. Corner backs are now bombing up the pitch so they need to be able for the power runs just as much as wing backs or midfielders (Esp Cork, Tyrone etc). In the same sense, off the ball, forwards are working harder than ever before and need to be able to track back and tackle back so that kind of long-running is required for them also.
Granted, people playing on corner positions need have more pace than those in central positions, and those in central positions need bigger engines for the box-to-box stuff, but you also need a balance for what the modern game will throw at you.

[DuffleKing]

The postition specific training is a good idea in theory but in my experience doesn't work in practice - particularly with club football. it is very difficult, for example, to pigeon hole lads in specific positions. manys a corner back play as much football at wing back and viceversa. depnding on resources, it might not be uncommor for a fella to play in every line of the pitch across a six week period.

[lynchbhoy]

it depends on how low level or tailored you want to get towards individualised training and actual 'how to play' directives to players.
its obv that some lads who play corner back would never be of any use bombing up the field and are just out and out spoilers/man markers - stamina training isnt much use to them other than just whats needed and prob gained from playing loads of games.
Others are footballers and can augment an attack by going forward.
you cant have the entire team playing that way as you leave your def too exposed in the exact  opposite to puke blanket defense football !!

[whiskeysteve]

Top workout and diet routine:

Breakfast: Eggs and wholemeal bread with 10g creatine

Lunch: 350g of Whey Protein powder with tuna bap

Pre-workout snack: Banana

Workout:
Push ups to failure
3 x 10 Bench
3 x 10 Incline Bench
3 x 10 Decline Bench
3 x 10 Dumbell Press
3 x 10 Incline Dumbell Press
3 x 10 Decline Dumbell Press
3 x 10 Incline Fly
3 x 10 Decline Fly
Push ups to failure
3 x 20 wrist curls (for hurlers)

Post workout snack: Apple

Dinner: 200g Whey Protein with Potatoes and vegetables

Supper: 25g Creatine with Corn Flakes


For cardio buy yourself the Strike Trainer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvspJ55xoGI

This will give you cat like reflexes

[Overthebar!]

chap did you get this workout from kevin mccloy?

[AbbeySider]

Top workout and diet routine:

Breakfast: Eggs and wholemeal bread with 10g creatine

Lunch: 350g of Whey Protein powder with tuna bap

Pre-workout snack: Banana

Workout:
Push ups to failure
3 x 10 Bench
3 x 10 Incline Bench
3 x 10 Decline Bench
3 x 10 Dumbell Press
3 x 10 Incline Dumbell Press
3 x 10 Decline Dumbell Press
3 x 10 Incline Fly
3 x 10 Decline Fly
Push ups to failure
3 x 20 wrist curls (for hurlers)

Post workout snack: Apple

Dinner: 200g Whey Protein with Potatoes and vegetables

Supper: 25g Creatine with Corn Flakes


For cardio buy yourself the Strike Trainer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvspJ55xoGI

This will give you cat like reflexes

That workout is claptrap whiskeysteve. 
Every exercise is for you chest and you would reach exhaustion after the 5th routine.

That workout works you working upper, middle and lower pecs TWICE, which is totally ridiculous as you are only tearing muscle over and over again.... as for the diet.... FFS....


HOLD UP


WAIT A SEC....

OK you got me... Good one!! Totally fell for it!!! 
Ya... I took the bate! 

[whiskeysteve]

abbeysider ive followed my routine since november and now i have a chest like my brother sylvest. you could hang 40 medals on it.

Me and Kevin McCloy are gonna have a chest-off later in the year.

All you hurlers out there, get yourself the Strike Trainer, its the best: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvspJ55xoGI

Your man at 1.05 is now well primed for a tough season

[neilthemac]

just on this general topic

if you want to do some well informed reading on supplements etc then head over to boards.ie fitness forum

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=fd8f8b15cfa1172baceaa9f7d2ac38e3&t=2054989471

ask the fellas over there any specific questions. most of them know their stuff about training and supplements and are qualified in that area