Helicoptor crash in New Jersey

Aerlik · August 11, 2009, 10:29:26 AM

Quote from: muppet on August 08, 2009, 10:25:30 PM
TO no airports in Manhatten but you are right about approach paths. However Lax has a visual corridor for GA right over the middle of the airfield. Any PPL muppet can fly without being controlled over landing and departing traffic. Recipe for disaster.

Are you serious? Holy fork, in Oz there are Classes A, C, D, E and G airspace as well as GAAP airspace where General Aviation airports are in close proximity to large airports. You cannot fly into Perth Jandakot, without either getting a clearance to do so, or by circumnavigating the city to go there which is to the south of the city. In Perth, chopper flights take off from south west of the international airport and must have clearance to do so from ATC.

I have had one particularly close call with a chopper "pilot"

where he took off from an uncontrolled airport and flew against the circuit direction right towards me without as much as a radio call to let myself and the other plane in the circuit know. I was warned by someone on the ground to watch out and had to take evasive action. Scared the crap out of me. In rural areas, chopper pilots are notorious for not speaking. Seems it is uncool. The Bungle Bungles is another place where it is a bit of a lottery.

Aerlik · August 15, 2009, 03:04:20 PM

Looks like two ATCers could be in very big trouble after the recent revelations about this one.

stephenite · August 15, 2009, 03:06:50 PM

Quote from: Aerlik on August 15, 2009, 03:04:20 PM
Looks like two ATCers could be in very big trouble after the recent revelations about this one.

Yep - disgraceful carry on if true

muppet · August 15, 2009, 03:44:20 PM

Quote from: stephenite on August 15, 2009, 03:06:50 PM
Quote from: Aerlik on August 15, 2009, 03:04:20 PM
Looks like two ATCers could be in very big trouble after the recent revelations about this one.

Yep - disgraceful carry on if true

The ATC story is unprofessional but completely unconnected to the accident. The Teterboro guy cleared one of the aircraft involved to take off and then handed him to another ATC centre. He then made his phone call but as far as I can see it had nothing to do with the accident.

Aerlik · August 17, 2009, 01:25:38 PM

thanks Muppet. Make that "allegation" not "revelation". Mind you the way it is being sensationalised all over the world.....

Sad news over here. Last week a Twin Otter with 13 on board, 9 aussies, crashed into dense forest while attempting a second landing at the Kokoda airstrip in the PNG jungles. Of course, the sc**bag vultures are out insinuating that the young female pilot "with only six months experience" was to blame. In PNG, you do a helluva lot of flying in 6 months and the experience learned in that environment due to the combination of terrain and weather would take most other pilots (myself included) years to get. She did a go around on first approach and was lining up for a second attempt but was in the shmoo. Not sure if she was attempting an instrument approach (ie. if there is one there) or what. Such a sad thing to happen.

And three weeks ago, a young lad who was down the ranks at my last company (recently the chief pilot of a small op out of Broome) was checking a line pilot with 4 pax on board when the C206/C208 crankshaft snapped and they went in. Thank God no one was seriously hurt. They landed dense scrup about 50 kms north east of Broome. Had it happened on the return leg they'e have been in croc and shark country.

I'm still sticking to my theory of depressurisation for the Air France crash. Would an autopsy on the bodies found be able to identify that or is there a timespan within which the bodies have to dessected?

The Iceman · August 17, 2009, 02:22:44 PM

happened right outside my office - very sad last week watching the boats trail up and down the hudson searching for the remaining bodies

muppet · August 17, 2009, 02:35:14 PM

Quote from: Aerlik on August 17, 2009, 01:25:38 PM
thanks Muppet. Make that "allegation" not "revelation". Mind you the way it is being sensationalised all over the world.....

Sad news over here. Last week a Twin Otter with 13 on board, 9 aussies, crashed into dense forest while attempting a second landing at the Kokoda airstrip in the PNG jungles. Of course, the sc**bag vultures are out insinuating that the young female pilot "with only six months experience" was to blame. In PNG, you do a helluva lot of flying in 6 months and the experience learned in that environment due to the combination of terrain and weather would take most other pilots (myself included) years to get. She did a go around on first approach and was lining up for a second attempt but was in the shmoo. Not sure if she was attempting an instrument approach (ie. if there is one there) or what. Such a sad thing to happen.

And three weeks ago, a young lad who was down the ranks at my last company (recently the chief pilot of a small op out of Broome) was checking a line pilot with 4 pax on board when the C206/C208 crankshaft snapped and they went in. Thank God no one was seriously hurt. They landed dense scrup about 50 kms north east of Broome. Had it happened on the return leg they'e have been in croc and shark country.

I'm still sticking to my theory of depressurisation for the Air France crash. Would an autopsy on the bodies found be able to identify that or is there a timespan within which the bodies have to dessected?

Depending on how long they were at high altitude while depressurised the bodies would have frozen and may have 'freeze burns'. It is still possible for a rapid depressurisation and no freezing of the bodies, especially if they came down quickly, which seems to have happened.

RIP to those involved in the Twin Otter crash.

Statistically the odds of an accident go up dramatically on the second/third approach and most airlines' policy is to divert and not to do a third approach unless the problem has changed (usually meaning the weather has improved) dramatically.

Question raised over Ryanair landing

The above article had a lot of people scratching their heads, but the Irish authorities weren't among them and as usual there will be no investigation. Like the banks in Ireland we seem to have to have a crash before any regulator notices anything wrong.