Tesco British products being sold in Ireland

[ludermor]

The vast majority of tradesmen are employees, some may technically be self employed but i wouldn't class them as having their own business.

No, but surely these ones that Tankie speaks of who were earning 80-100k a year can't be employees?

Im afraid they would be, i work for a large construction company and 100k would not be unheard and 80K would be average at best. We had 4 blocklayers who earned over 140k a couple pf years ago and that wasnt working crazy hours, they would rarely have worked past 4.30 in the evening.There would be some weeks where they would have 'cleared' 3k.
To put a bit of balance they would not be earning a fraction of that now and the average would be 55-80k ( for those who are working which is the minority)

[lynchbhoy]

The vast majority of tradesmen are employees, some may technically be self employed but i wouldn't class them as having their own business.

No, but surely these ones that Tankie speaks of who were earning 80-100k a year can't be employees?

Im afraid they would be, i work for a large construction company and 100k would not be unheard and 80K would be average at best. We had 4 blocklayers who earned over 140k a couple pf years ago and that wasnt working crazy hours, they would rarely have worked past 4.30 in the evening.There would be some weeks where they would have 'cleared' 3k.
To put a bit of balance they would not be earning a fraction of that now and the average would be 55-80k ( for those who are working which is the minority)

that would be the exception rather than the normal though imo

I know a hell of a lot of tradesmen and eg the briskies were earning less and less each year since the late 80's if anything
others that were earning great money were working all hours (not normally brickies as they cant work inside or outside when its dark

money for tradesmen in general was much the same as ever.
Last year there was almost parity between skilled tradesmen and unskilled labourers.
so when Tankie and yourself are telling us that these jobs existed, then maybe they did, but to 95% of the brickies and tradesmen out there, this was not the case, and for most it was only after serious hours of overtime etc

[pintsofguinness]

I have been complaining about being ripped off for years but it was generally the working class that were ripping me off, a tradesman wanted to earn between 80k - 100k per year, a brick layer wanted min of 60k a year, I had some p***k with a second house wanting 700euro a month for a Dublin room in dublin. People complain about bankers but what about these people who ripped people off every day?

But yet you're happy to be ripped off again when buying your meat?

Btw how much do you think tradesmen should be earning and why?

Well if the average industrial wage is 35k a year i do not think a trades man should be earning 3 times that or a brick layer earning 2 times that. how are these peopel any worse than the bankers be ripped out of it for paying big bonus?

Well if people are willing to pay them I dont see what the problem is (and I dont think it's the norm for tradesmen to be on that money). If your wage was doubled tomorrow I expect you'd say "oh no that's too much".  Supply and demand.  I don't blame the builders, people who made a fortune selling land, bank employees taking bonuses etc - it's the eejits who paid them that are at fault and the banks who give the eejits the money to pay them!


Rossfan, I wasnt suggesting cutting the civil service or social welfare, just cutting back.  I have no issues with pensions or disability benefit (provided it is genuine) or helping out those out of work (provided they are genuine).  

Suppliers are bidding to thwart Tesco price moves
By John Mulligan


Wednesday May 13 2009

IRISH suppliers are reportedly lining up to offer Dunnes Stores and other domestically-owned retailers improved buying terms as they vent their anger at Tesco's move to source more products from the UK.

Retail sources said that the suppliers are keen to offer Dunnes Stores and other operators ammunition to fight Tesco with lower prices.

Other sources say Dunnes is expected to retaliate to the Tesco strategy later this week. In line with normal practice, Dunnes declined to comment yesterday.

Border stores

Last week, Tesco slashed prices at 11 of its stores close to the Border in an effort to stem the tide of Irish shoppers visiting towns such as Newry to capitalise on a strong euro.

While the move has been well received by consumers, many Irish suppliers have seen their shelf space at the Irish stores, where the initiative has been introduced, axed by as much as 50pc.

One Irish supplier told the Irish Independent that he expects his sales to drop by between 8pc and 10pc as a result of Tesco's move.

Tesco is planning to roll out its price cuts and UK-sourced range to other stores in its Irish network.

Tesco group board member David Potts, who is also the company's retail and logistics director, has been spotted in Drogheda in recent days.

Retail sources

Some retail sources have speculated that Mr Potts, who in 1997 was appointed to spearhead Tesco's store development in Ireland following its acquisition of Quinnsworth, is taking a very active interest in driving the retailer's current strategy here.

Other trade sources have downplayed his presence, suggesting that Mr Potts is a regular visit to Irish outlets in any event.

Tesco has said that it intends to maintain a buying team in Ireland despite buying more from UK suppliers.

A spokesmanfor the retailer did not comment on rumours that the Irish buyers at its head office have been assured they'll be paid this year regardless of whether or not there's work for them.

- John Mulligan

Oh so they can cut their prices! Who would have thought that!  

[ludermor]

The vast majority of tradesmen are employees, some may technically be self employed but i wouldn't class them as having their own business.

No, but surely these ones that Tankie speaks of who were earning 80-100k a year can't be employees?

Im afraid they would be, i work for a large construction company and 100k would not be unheard and 80K would be average at best. We had 4 blocklayers who earned over 140k a couple pf years ago and that wasnt working crazy hours, they would rarely have worked past 4.30 in the evening.There would be some weeks where they would have 'cleared' 3k.
To put a bit of balance they would not be earning a fraction of that now and the average would be 55-80k ( for those who are working which is the minority)

that would be the exception rather than the normal though imo

I know a hell of a lot of tradesmen and eg the briskies were earning less and less each year since the late 80's if anything
others that were earning great money were working all hours (not normally brickies as they cant work inside or outside when its dark

money for tradesmen in general was much the same as ever.
Last year there was almost parity between skilled tradesmen and unskilled labourers.
so when Tankie and yourself are telling us that these jobs existed, then maybe they did, but to 95% of the brickies and tradesmen out there, this was not the case, and for most it was only after serious hours of overtime etc

Well we would have to disagee, while the wages over the past 18months have dropped dramatically there was a good 5 years when they were exorbitant ( now i must qualify that by saying in the dublin region, the rest of the country were not getting near as much). On any union job you would be hard pressed to get a trademan to be on less than 60k and a lot of unskilled workers would be on that. You had shuttering carpenter/steelfixer earning 200-250 clear per shift ( and working 6 days a week)
I dint say those wages dont exist now but they were off the scale for a while. I would have to strongly disagree with your 95% of blocklayers ( and i say that with my own brother a blocklayer so im not just talking about union jobs in dublin)
For what it is worth we still have the unions negotiating with us looking for increases in the rates!!

[Rossfan]

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Rossfan, I wasnt suggesting cutting the civil service or social welfare, just cutting back.  I have no issues with pensions or disability benefit (provided it is genuine) or helping out those out of work (provided they are genuine).  

Point taken Pints...it must have been the way you said it.

Great to see the "suppliers" whoever they are  can reduce their prices now . Let's hope they are passed on to the oul consumer.

[the Deel Rover]

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Rossfan, I wasnt suggesting cutting the civil service or social welfare, just cutting back.  I have no issues with pensions or disability benefit (provided it is genuine) or helping out those out of work (provided they are genuine).  

Point taken Pints...it must have been the way you said it.

Great to see the "suppliers" whoever they are  can reduce their prices now . Let's hope they are passed on to the oul consumer.

i think thats the point rossfan the suppliers can do it however only when they are faced with competetion and for too long they got away with it probably because sterling was so strong . Had a fella from the hardware shop ring me back today saying he would see could he move on the price , i'll keep you updated i might be able to save castlebar hospital after all 

[lynchbhoy]

The vast majority of tradesmen are employees, some may technically be self employed but i wouldn't class them as having their own business.

No, but surely these ones that Tankie speaks of who were earning 80-100k a year can't be employees?

Im afraid they would be, i work for a large construction company and 100k would not be unheard and 80K would be average at best. We had 4 blocklayers who earned over 140k a couple pf years ago and that wasnt working crazy hours, they would rarely have worked past 4.30 in the evening.There would be some weeks where they would have 'cleared' 3k.
To put a bit of balance they would not be earning a fraction of that now and the average would be 55-80k ( for those who are working which is the minority)

that would be the exception rather than the normal though imo

I know a hell of a lot of tradesmen and eg the briskies were earning less and less each year since the late 80's if anything
others that were earning great money were working all hours (not normally brickies as they cant work inside or outside when its dark

money for tradesmen in general was much the same as ever.
Last year there was almost parity between skilled tradesmen and unskilled labourers.
so when Tankie and yourself are telling us that these jobs existed, then maybe they did, but to 95% of the brickies and tradesmen out there, this was not the case, and for most it was only after serious hours of overtime etc

Well we would have to disagee, while the wages over the past 18months have dropped dramatically there was a good 5 years when they were exorbitant ( now i must qualify that by saying in the dublin region, the rest of the country were not getting near as much). On any union job you would be hard pressed to get a trademan to be on less than 60k and a lot of unskilled workers would be on that. You had shuttering carpenter/steelfixer earning 200-250 clear per shift ( and working 6 days a week)
I dint say those wages dont exist now but they were off the scale for a while. I would have to strongly disagree with your 95% of blocklayers ( and i say that with my own brother a blocklayer so im not just talking about union jobs in dublin)
For what it is worth we still have the unions negotiating with us looking for increases in the rates!!

well my bro and oul lad are(were) brickies and worked for one year on a union paye job, but prior to that, they spent their whole lives - some 30 years in and around Dublin on price work that didnt really go up in rate since late 80's - ok they were on good money then, but the cost of living caught up with that - and they would be proper tradesmen , not the cowboys that 'batter up' walls asap and feck off.
so I wish they knew where to go get these well paid jobs, as anyone I met in the brick/blocklaying game through football and other sites also never were exposed to the kind of wages /rates you are talking about.

the unions can talk all they want about rates, sure theres no f**king work for brickies now - the unions fcuked this up for them !
(though are not soley to blame!by any stretch of the imagination)

its not that I dont believe you, just never heard tell of any such wages/rates