Question about the Hunger Strikers

[naka]

yes Naka this is seemingly to undermint sf and adams - and sf have no control , input or mandate over the hs or the hunger strikers themselves so cannot make anything clear as they have no part of it and therefore cannot explain what they were not involved in.

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I accept that SF weren`t around and my recollection is that carron was elected as "an anti h block candidate" but without being disengenuos the players at the time adams etc wouls have known the position with regard to the strkers, beresfords book mentions in detail voluminoue comms to adams etc, i just feel he should defend himself


i do fail to understand why these docs should be released at a dangerous time because for my own part( have never voted) know a fair few guys who fail to see what benefit sinnfein in government have been,  getting the vote out will be a a hell of a lot more difficult than previous years

[Doogie Browser]

I see the natives are getting restless in Derry, idiotic attacks by a bunch of neanderthals.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/foyle_and_west/7985580.stm

[lynchbhoy]

I have picked this quote only LB as people have said before that SF used the strikes to further their political objectives and the longer they went on the more leverage they had, they realised the support was there in republican areas and the strikes galvanised that support and as a result the hunger strikes were the 'making' of SF. 
The world and his wife know SF were closely linked to the Hunger Strikes and to say otherwise is folly.

completely disagree Doogie - see the post above by Naka - owen carron stood on the 'anti h-block' moniker - sf were not really set up at that stage.
I will agree that AFTER this sf used the HS as the engine to create their political party and their rise etc.
adams was the policital voice of the republicans at the time so you could argue that he could 'defend' himself right now, but as mentioned before - he or anyone else were not party to most of that stuff going on.

sf were effectively bourne out of the hunger strikes but thats AFTER the hs, and not closely linked as normal meaning would have it. Closely linked as in that republicans and nationalists then gave support to the emerging sf.
thats the only link.

[lynchbhoy]

yes Naka this is seemingly to undermint sf and adams - and sf have no control , input or mandate over the hs or the hunger strikers themselves so cannot make anything clear as they have no part of it and therefore cannot explain what they were not involved in.

I accept that SF weren`t around and my recollection is that carron was elected as "an anti h block candidate" but without being disengenuos the players at the time adams etc wouls have known the position with regard to the strkers, beresfords book mentions in detail voluminoue comms to adams etc, i just feel he should defend himself


i do fail to understand why these docs should be released at a dangerous time because for my own part( have never voted) know a fair few guys who fail to see what benefit sinnfein in government have been,  getting the vote out will be a a hell of a lot more difficult than previous years
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yep , I understand now what you are saying.
as I said just there above, Adams was the spokesmen.
However he had no role in the politics and negotiations of the HS so does not have anything to answer for.
I have pointed out in my first post in the prev page where these allegations etc are all false and that there was no offer on the plate for hunger strikers at that stage, therefore was nothing to hide from the prisoners.
I'd think that the hunger strikersm their families and their representatives would be the people with the knowledge of what went on here, esp when you hear that the nio men (english) were in telling the families what was on 'offer' and it was the same as before.


As for the freedom of info - well thats the clause, it has to be made public after a certain time. Its a bit risky timing, but I think that plays into the anti republicans hands right now (unionist politicians, brit army, psni and dissident idiots)

[lynchbhoy]

I see the natives are getting restless in Derry, idiotic attacks by a bunch of neanderthals.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/foyle_and_west/7985580.stm

I havent read the link , but have been saying on here for quite a while that theres problems in Derry city and the dissidents are drumming up a lot of support on the back of the local police intransigence.

[Doogie Browser]

I have picked this quote only LB as people have said before that SF used the strikes to further their political objectives and the longer they went on the more leverage they had, they realised the support was there in republican areas and the strikes galvanised that support and as a result the hunger strikes were the 'making' of SF. 
The world and his wife know SF were closely linked to the Hunger Strikes and to say otherwise is folly.

completely disagree Doogie - see the post above by Naka - owen carron stood on the 'anti h-block' moniker - sf were not really set up at that stage.
I will agree that AFTER this sf used the HS as the engine to create their political party and their rise etc.
adams was the policital voice of the republicans at the time so you could argue that he could 'defend' himself right now, but as mentioned before - he or anyone else were not party to most of that stuff going on.

sf were effectively bourne out of the hunger strikes but thats AFTER the hs, and not closely linked as normal meaning would have it. Closely linked as in that republicans and nationalists then gave support to the emerging sf.
thats the only link.

Again LB people will argue that Carron stood as an anti H-Block candidate in order to garner more nationalist support - i.e. voters who objected to armed struggle could appease their conscience by saying they were voting against conditions in Long kesh and argue they were not voting for SF.  If he or indeed Bobby Sands had stood on a SF ticket they would prob have not got elected in that constituency. 
I can agree that the strikes made SF as a political entity in the 6 counties but I also do think they were closely involved in their strategy (the strikes) also. 

[Main Street]

You mention 'journalists' again and not once have I quoted a 'journalist' back to you.  IN MY OPINION (I don't care about Liam Clarke or Henry McDonald etc) people in SF have treated people like O'Rawe poorly and besmirched their character with subtle propaganda and character assasination.  I make no bones about it and don't need it highlighted back to me but IN MY OPINION if people from within the Republican community have a point of view not aligned with mainstream republicanism then they are ostracised. 

The claim that there was a planned strategy, capitalising, even based, on, the willingness of the prisoners to die
just doesn't hold water regardless of the way SF political strategy eventually worked out.
Maybe there are just a long list of very good reasons why Rawe's opinions are dismissed.

[lynchbhoy]

I have picked this quote only LB as people have said before that SF used the strikes to further their political objectives and the longer they went on the more leverage they had, they realised the support was there in republican areas and the strikes galvanised that support and as a result the hunger strikes were the 'making' of SF. 
The world and his wife know SF were closely linked to the Hunger Strikes and to say otherwise is folly.

completely disagree Doogie - see the post above by Naka - owen carron stood on the 'anti h-block' moniker - sf were not really set up at that stage.
I will agree that AFTER this sf used the HS as the engine to create their political party and their rise etc.
adams was the policital voice of the republicans at the time so you could argue that he could 'defend' himself right now, but as mentioned before - he or anyone else were not party to most of that stuff going on.

sf were effectively bourne out of the hunger strikes but thats AFTER the hs, and not closely linked as normal meaning would have it. Closely linked as in that republicans and nationalists then gave support to the emerging sf.
thats the only link.

Again LB people will argue that Carron stood as an anti H-Block candidate in order to garner more nationalist support - i.e. voters who objected to armed struggle could appease their conscience by saying they were voting against conditions in Long kesh and argue they were not voting for SF.  If he or indeed Bobby Sands had stood on a SF ticket they would prob have not got elected in that constituency. 
I can agree that the strikes made SF as a political entity in the 6 counties but I also do think they were closely involved in their strategy (the strikes) also. 

Doogie - th first part of that is based on a big IF
sf didnt exist then

also I can tell you now that sf had NO part to play in any 'strategy ' of the hunger strike , partially because they didnt exist, and secondly as there was no one else involved in the 'stratgy' apart from the hunger strikers themselves, the ira army council and also the folks that went on to start sf - none of these wanted the hs to go ahead.
none of them had any input into the hs and as to who went on them.
I know the media have distorted this but I can tel lyou thats from near enough the horses mouth as you can get.