Someone’s diluting Wee Willies ‘Britishness’… again

[stew]

He has lost a lot because of the troubles, more than most I would imagine and I fear it has made him into a low grade bigot with a penchant for publicity.

The fact that we are on this site commenting on him gives him the publicity he seeks but although i think he is a complete and utter bollocks I cant help thinking that the loss he has suffered has tainted him forever.

I am not excusing who he has become but I can see why he is the way he is. The brutality of war leaves many casualties and he to me is a casualty of the war in the north.

[The Watcher Pat]

He has lost a lot because of the troubles, more than most I would imagine and I fear it has made him into a low grade bigot with a penchant for publicity.

The fact that we are on this site commenting on him gives him the publicity he seeks but although i think he is a complete and utter bollocks I cant help thinking that the loss he has suffered has tainted him forever.

I am not excusing who he has become but I can see why he is the way he is. The brutality of war leaves many casualties and he to me is a casualty of the war in the north.

I have lost a uncle and a good friend shot coming home from his work and left his widow with a one year old son. His killers have never been caught.. I am not a bigot and that can never be used as a excuse.. It is always there it maybe just took something to bring it out...

[ziggysego]

Wasn't there a picture of him as a youth in Croke Park?

[The Watcher Pat]

Wasn't there a picture of him as a youth in Croke Park?

Might be Billy Wright your thinking of Ziggy...I think he was raised by Catholic foster parents...and might hav played gaelic in school...not 100% sure about this tho...

[Aristotle Flynn]

He has lost a lot because of the troubles, more than most I would imagine and I fear it has made him into a low grade bigot with a penchant for publicity.

The fact that we are on this site commenting on him gives him the publicity he seeks but although i think he is a complete and utter bollocks I cant help thinking that the loss he has suffered has tainted him forever.

I am not excusing who he has become but I can see why he is the way he is. The brutality of war leaves many casualties and he to me is a casualty of the war in the north.

His family were steeped in the UVF

That's an awful thing to say and you know it's not true. It was not his family that turned him into the monster he became. They were descent people.

      "Give, and it shall be given to you. For whatever measure you deal out to others, it will be dealt to you in return."

[The Watcher Pat]

According to this link Billy Wright definately attended GAA matches if not played...
Not sure about how factual the link is but i've no reason to doubt.

http://www.metroeireann.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=518&Itemid=59

[stew]

According to this link Billy Wright definately attended GAA matches if not played...
Not sure about how factual the link is but i've no reason to doubt.

http://www.metroeireann.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=518&Itemid=59

Bily wright played a couple of underage games for Whitecross if memory serves.

[Evil Genius]

Well 605 people take him seriously 

Six hundred and five out of over 70,000. Frankly, if you through a big enough net over them, you'd find as many people who believe in all sorts of bonkers theories/cults/conspiracies/leaders etc - this is Newry & Armagh*, after all!

605 out of 13,000 - 15,000

That's electorial seriousness. How about general good will to Willie seriousness, probably a lot higher.

Despite his having an extremely high profile, out of 70,823 people entitled to vote for him, only 605 could be bothered. That equals 0.85%. Of those who did vote (50,165) he attracted 1.2% of their first preferences. Even taking the 15,857 Unionist votes cast, his share was a mere 3.82%.

No matter how you look at it, that's pathetic. As for the "general good will" towards him, that is a matter of speculation. But even if correct, much of that will be down to sympathy for his many personal losses, plus good will towards his family generally.

Either way, it seems pretty clear that he lacks the political clout to be truly "dangerous", regardless of his high media profile.

[Evil Genius]

How ironic in a thread where Frazer is being excoriated (quite rightly, imo) for making ridiculous claims ("Less British") on the basis of totally incorrect information ("Irish" on UK Passports) that a critic of Frazer's should make a much more serious and outrageous claim about him, without any basis whatever.

I suggest you either back up your (libellous) claim with some sort of evidence, or retract it with an apology.

[Edited bt Mod 3 - I see that the post in question has been removed, rightly, so I'm removing your quote as well EG. Thanks lads]

[Rav67]

Wasn't there a picture of him as a youth in Croke Park?

There definitely was a picture of him at an AI final, with the u-12 or u-14 team he played for if my memory serves me correctly.  I think he said he quit gaelic when the troubles started.

[Donagh]

He was in that boys home in South Armagh, think it might be round Mountnorris somewhere. All this talk about him playing football and being in the GAA is a load of balls. Big deal, he played a game of ball once with the neighbours when he was a 12 year old. Still an evil murdering cnut...

[THE MIGHTY QUINN]

Fair's games won't include hideous truth of Glenanne By Susan McKay
04/12/07

So Families Acting for Innocent Relatives (Fair) is to take tourists around the real terror spots of south Armagh in the back of an ex-British army Saracen. The tour is to include Glenanne and its environs and guides are currently being trained to explain what has been going on.

Presumably Fair's director, Willie Frazer, will not be explaining the activities of the Glenanne gang, which included RUC and UDR members as well as the UVF and the UDA, and was linked to more than 120 sectarian murders in the area and elsewhere.

It is unlikely the Saracen will pull up at Altnamackin for the guide to explain that here men in UDR uniforms stopped a car at an unofficial checkpoint in 1975 and shot dead two men on their way home from a GAA match.

It is unlikely the Saracen will visit Silverbridge, to point out the scene where at least one RUC officer, along with at least one UDR man, slaughtered two men and a 14-year-old boy.

Or at Keady, where on-duty RUC members of the gang shot up a bar in 1976 and then made their getaway in a police car before returning to take responsibility for the investigation of the crime.

It will hardly stop on the road above ex-RUC reservist James Mitchell's farm to talk about the UVF guns that were hidden there.

When it stops in Whitecross, will it be to say that this is where Eugene Reavey comes from, the man who supposedly planned the massacre of nine Protestant workmen in 1976 just up the road at Kingsmills?

It was First Minister Ian Paisley who put about this outrageous lie using privilege in the House of Commons in 1999. Fair has since repeated on its website that the Reaveys were an IRA family.

The Historical Enquiries Team and successive chief constables have stated that there is no evidence whatsoever to link anyone in the family to the IRA. There has been no apology from Paisley or Fair.

The Fair tour guide is unlikely to tell the tourists that Whitecross is where, the night before the Kingsmills atrocity, the Glenanne gang massacred three of Eugene Reavey's brothers, that later that evening it shot dead three members of the O'Dowd family at Gilford, and that all of these people were killed simply because they were Catholics.

Frazer says his late father and other UDR men helped the SAS but denies they were involved with loyalist paramilitaries. However, he has admitted he understands why local security force members, frustrated by restrictive laws, did assist loyalists in killing those they knew to be in the IRA. He has defended the reputations of several of those implicated in the Glenanne gang. Frazer's father and other local UDR men were murdered by the IRA.

Last week the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) ruled that the RUC had failed to investigate allegations of security force collusion into the deaths of eight men known to have been killed by Glenanne gang members in these and other atrocities. The allegations were made in 1999 by a member of the gang, former RUC man John Weir, in a shocking affadavit.

The ECHR found that Weir's evidence was serious and plausible.

Weir, along with other former RUC men, had been convicted of involvment in loyalist activities including murder. His evidence was also found to be credible by Mr Justice Henry Barron and by a distinguished independent international team of investigators. A web of irrefutable ballistic evidence exists.

There is then, hard evidence of collusion. There are confessions, boasts, ballistics and convictions. There is also evidence that the collusion extended into the prosecution service and the judiciary. Some paramilitaries in the gang were security force agents who appeared to be protected. Evidence is also emerging that the British government at least knew about the activities of the gang and that its role may have been more sinister. There is an ongoing refusal by the British to cooperate with inquiries into these events.

The only way we will know what has been going on is through an independent inquiry. There is no political will for this in the Dail, at Stormont, or at Westminster.

So big boys from one side of the community with Saracens will conduct foolish one-sided tours and big boys on

the other side will produce silly calendars with photos of their mates posing with guns. And the families of the murdered dead will be told that the past is better left well alone.

[The Watcher Pat]

He was in that boys home in South Armagh, think it might be round Mountnorris somewhere. All this talk about him playing football and being in the GAA is a load of balls. Big deal, he played a game of ball once with the neighbours when he was a 12 year old. Still an evil murdering cnut...

Quite rite but were only saying that he played Gaelic...He's the Cnut that murdered my uncle (according to the RUC as they were at the time although they could not prove it)...believe me i have no sympathy for him..He is now where he belongs....