20 moments that shook Irish sport

[Galwaybhoy]

Lads as much as a big fan of Roy Keane as I am, that challange on Haaland (which DID not end his career like many would have you think) was still a disgraceful tackle and Keane went in with the intent to get and hurt Haaland.  He should have got a very long suspension for that tackle.

[deiseach]

First off, on a point of order as it were: "Striking someone with a hurley is a no-no" - that happens in every single game, multiple times. Striking someone off the ball, or deliberately pulling on someone while not going for the ball are no no's. Other than that hitting, and being hit, with the stick is just something that happens. I played the game for a long time and among multiple injuries from hurley strikes have had one broken nose - head in wrong place - and several broken bones my right hand - struck away from play.

Players do get hit in hurling, and the longer you play it the more you'll get hit. But the idea that there are several bone-juddering hits in every game is, in my opinion, wrong. You can argue differently but not everyone is going to agree with you, so don't go about implying that it is one of the first principles of the sport.

[Mentalman]

I guess to sum up please don't try and make Roy Keane's actions seem worse than they were.

Fair enough. And as a 'quid pro quo' don't make it less than it was. I mentioned that Keane is not an especially dirty player, but that was a dirty tackle. Of course there's multiple other dirty tackles every year in all sorts of games, but I'm just discussing this incident.

Like you said, I'm just a bad bad man, can't help it, it's both environmental and hereditary No I agree, never said it wasn't a bad tackle. Just at the time of the book I couldn't believe all the hand wringing and retrospective punishments etc. If he just hadn't mentioned his intent to hurt no one would have batted an eyelid, but as you said, from the video, it was apparent to anyone that he'd "done" him. To me there was just a lot of double standards going on on all sides, and still is.

[Mentalman]

First off, on a point of order as it were: "Striking someone with a hurley is a no-no" - that happens in every single game, multiple times. Striking someone off the ball, or deliberately pulling on someone while not going for the ball are no no's. Other than that hitting, and being hit, with the stick is just something that happens. I played the game for a long time and among multiple injuries from hurley strikes have had one broken nose - head in wrong place - and several broken bones my right hand - struck away from play.

Players do get hit in hurling, and the longer you play it the more you'll get hit. But the idea that there are several bone-juddering hits in every game is, in my opinion, wrong. You can argue differently but not everyone is going to agree with you, so don't go about implying that it is one of the first principles of the sport.

Where did I say it was? I was replying directly to the "striking somone with a hurley is a no-no". Just clarifying "deliberately" striking, but hitting and being hit just happens, all the time, unintentionally. You don't even notice until the next day, mysteroius bruises on your legs and arms. You don't have to play to see that, just watch any game. There are plenty of blows, but the ones that draw the inhale of breath are the blatantly deliberate blows. Never said they had to be bone juddering either. My own broken nose came from an effort to desperately hook an opposition player. If the follow through from his swing had hit me anywhere other than the face, I wouldn't have even noticed it until play moved on, those things happen.

[stew]

Now that is some tackle on Haaland, bad enough he in essence finished the mans career but to then bend down and abuse him verbally showed Roy boy up for that he was.

I am always amazed the lengths people will go to to defend Keane and it seems the closer ties they have to Manchester the more fervent their support of him.

And to think his detractors were called flat earthers. take a redner seanie, you are the worst of all the keane supporters on this board.

How anyone can defend Keane after watching the tackle on haaland is beyong me, that was pure cowardice.

[deiseach]

People get bruises that appear the next day in all contact sports. You can't play 60/70/80/90 minutes and not get a few knocks. I'd say the reason players begin to decline is not losing 'a yard of pace', but that the recovery time needed between matches gets longer as the body ages.

No, what I object to is the idea that blows that are equivalent to Roy Keane's tacke on Haaland happen so often in sport in the normal run of things as to make that tackle almost run-of-the-mill. Hurlers do not take hits with the force Keane dished out in that instance with regularity. Quite simply, that tackle was extreme, intentional or not.

[Mentalman]

People get bruises that appear the next day in all contact sports. You can't play 60/70/80/90 minutes and not get a few knocks. I'd say the reason players begin to decline is not losing 'a yard of pace', but that the recovery time needed between matches gets longer as the body ages.

No, what I object to is the idea that blows that are equivalent to Roy Keane's tacke on Haaland happen so often in sport in the normal run of things as to make that tackle almost run-of-the-mill. Hurlers do not take hits with the force Keane dished out in that instance with regularity. Quite simply, that tackle was extreme, intentional or not.

Again, I never said it wasn't. I was simply replying to the hurling point from my perspective, not in the context of this Keane's tackle on Haalend set to. BTW in my experience at least I've ended up with far more mysterious bruises after hurling than football or soccer, just by virtue of the fact that sticks are involved, there'sa lot more "flaking/whipping" etc., you just get inured to that as part of the game, either that or you don't play I guess.

[deiseach]

Well, the whole point of this part of the thread is that you said that you occassionally melt into a player, which thewobbler thought was unaccpetable, that you striking with a hurley is a no-no, and you said that players get a share of timber that is, to all intents and purposes, the equvalent of a full-on strike. I don't agree that that happens all that often. If you think otherwise, fine.

[Mentalman]

Well, the whole point of this part of the thread is that you said that you occassionally melt into a player, which thewobbler thought was unaccpetable, that you striking with a hurley is a no-no, and you said that players get a share of timber that is, to all intents and purposes, the equvalent of a full-on strike. I don't agree that that happens all that often. If you think otherwise, fine.

Obviously we've misinterpreted the same info then. What I said was I've often thought the exact same thing when I've tackled a player i.e. have some of that, I'd be a liar if I said otherwise. I've never set out to deliberately harm a player, stop him yes, I'm not a "hardman", or "hatchetman", far from it, but I'd make no secret of the fact that tackling is part of the game I don't shy away from and am/was good at it. What I did after I got the ball, well that was a different story.

As for the hurling arguement, I think we are going to have to agree to disagree, getting struck happens, in effect more often than deliberate blows in my experience. As to the severity of those blows, the equivalent of a full-on strike as you put it, they wouldn't be the same as someone standing back and deliberately giving you timberl off the ball, similar to the circumstances in which I sustained my hand injury, but they are made in the intensity of the match. Now maybe it's just because we are muck at the small ball game in Westmeath...and the big ball game too....