Kerry get a free pass

[supersarsfields]

^{I'm on the board 3 years and this is the first time I've heard a Tyrone poster use the word jealous in relation to Kerry. We have a breakthrough Mr Freud. Acknowledging your problem was the first step you are now on the road to recovery}

Ere I would hazard a guess that 6th Sam ain't from Tyrone, Super. Just a guess mind you.

[magickingdom]

just to try and bring ye tyrone/armagh/down boys up to speed cork have a football tradition that overshadows the lot of ye put together. if anyone should gripe its cork, they have to contend with kerry every year DESPITE the fact that they have been the second best team in the country for long periods of time including now and most of the 80's. just look at their record in the club championships. yet one poster here dosent even consider them kerrys main foorball rivals ffs which goes to show what he knows about kerry football. wasnt it joe lennon in the 60's who said kerry football was finished (it was one of the down players). when armagh and tyrone start to dominate football for long periods  (not 1 and 2 ai) then ye can talk.

ps i hearly fell off my chair - competing against top professional soccer clubs in armagh and tyrone? who the fock are they?? there are plenty other sports in kerry too you know competing for players..

[timmykelleher]

Do Kerry get a free ride from the press for their cynical tactics?
Taking this question and applying it to last Sundays game you can look at a few incidents.

When Cork were chasing the game Kerry seemed to pull down their men out the field rather than let the play develop. This was best shown by Quirke pulling down Pearse O'Neill with what call only be called a rugby tackle. This cynical play but hardly enough to label the team as cynical. the rules are there to cover this and no supporter of any county would thank one of their players for letting the opposition walk up the field.

When Pearse O'Neill was going to collect the ball close to goal he was kicked into the air by a sliding tackle from the goalkeeper. This kind of tackle can break a players leg. What would have been the reaction if Kieran O'Connor had slid in and kicked the legs from the gooch before his goal. As it was the incident wasn't deemed worthy of a replay.

After this incident, said goalkeeper rounded on the umpire and intimidated him into putting down the flag he was raising. If I was the umpire I'd have stuck up the flag and then reported the verbals to the ref. (But I may be biased :-)  )

Tomas O'Sè pulling back Kavanagh? What defender wouldn't have made a last ditch effort. I wouldn't put this on the same level as their goalie's wreckless lunge.

With time running out Noel O'Leary was seen receiving attention for a blow to the stomach. Soon after Paul Galvin was substituted. Thumping a player off the ball goes into my book as cynical. Does Pat O'Shea taking him off, indicate a worrying sign of civility from a Kerry manager.

So overall Kerry did what they had to do, to get the win.
Everyone is going to make up their own opinions on it.

Well, almost everyone.... but I wouldn't get too worried about the likes of Morrissey, Canning, and Colm O'Rourke labelling them as superstars after coming through a tight game by playing every card they know, while closely contested games up north are blanket covered by the terms poor game or dour struggles. The media do play Kerry up and struggle to analyse games on their own merits. They are as cynical as any other team.

[Billys Boots]

What would have been the reaction if Kieran O'Connor had slid in and kicked the legs from the gooch before his goal.

Hang on now, Declan O'Sullivan was 'cleaned out' by a very similar foot-tackle down the other end in the second half.

[timmykelleher]

"Hang on now, Declan O'Sullivan was 'cleaned out' by a very similar foot-tackle down the other end in the second half"

No he wasn't.
In the Declan O'Sullivan incident Canty slid in and kicked the ball.
It cannoned off O'Sullivan. Canty made no Contact with O'Sullivan.
The ball broke and O'Sullivan and another Cork player pulled on it.
The ball rebounded off the Cork player for a sideline.
Both the Cork player and O'Sullivan went down fter this but it was in no way similar to the Pearse O'Neill incident.

In the Pearse O'Neill incident he had knocked the ball on when Murphy slid in late and made sure to catch him on the leg.

[Billys Boots]

it was in no way similar to the Pearse O'Neill incident

You're joking, right.  The only difference was that Murphy was a split-second late with his 'foot-tackle' - O'Sullivan was bending to pick the ball, O'Neill wasn't in possession either.  O'Neill got a free, O'Sullivan didn't; it was probably the right call made, but I would say that there was an equal amount of cynicism applied by both Murphy and Canty, it was just more successfully applied by the Cork player.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not painting Kerry as saints, they're not.  But, in the teams that are likely to win Sam this year, they're not especially cynical - but cynicism has (probably) always been a necessity for success in sport.  What's probably wrong, from a sporting perspective, is that the lesser (and upcoming) teams are less likely to get away with it, or as the initial posts on this thread would put it, get a free pass.

[Mike Sheehy]

Sheehy, glad to see that Tyrone remain a fear and a major thorn in the Kingdom's side 
And no, I'll not be biting like some of them, your not good enough

You'll not "bite" because you are a lightweight who has nothing worthwhile to contribute to the debate. As for fear, you are the lads starting threads wondering if ye'll get to avoid Kerry till the final !!

Face it Tyrone bies, you got your arses well and truly kicked on this thread !

[Tyrone Dreamer]

You Kerry whingers every year someone else wins the all ireland come up with some reason as to why the game is being ruined, particularily when its Ulster teams. You even moaned at Antrim many years ago. In more recent times after the Ulster dominance in the early 90's it was to much use of the handpass by Donegal - you's even moaned enough to get an experimental rule in to try and reduce it. In 2003 it was the turn of the blalnket defense (which happened to take place in your half most of the time - if your players had have kicked the ball long like you's moan at other teams for not doing many of the situations wouldnt have arose!). Another criticism after the Tyrone and Armagh wins was the lack of scoring in the half forward line. Just out of interest maybe you should sit down and compare the last 2 matches played by Kerry and Tyrone. Who's half forward line scored 1-6 from play? Tyrone also kicked the ball (and with accuracy) time and time again over distance. There's no doubt that Kerry were and are a great team but you's dont do yourselves any favours by trying to belittle other teams who are succesful. And although you's wont admit it there's no other team in Ireland Kerry would rather beat in Ireland than Tyrone. Barring 1 league victory in 05' against a severely weakened Tyrone team Tyrone have held the upper hand throughout the decade, including at under age level. It would be great if we meet again this year!

[Fear ón Srath Bán]

Sheehy, glad to see that Tyrone remain a fear and a major thorn in the Kingdom's side 
And no, I'll not be biting like some of them, your not good enough

You'll not "bite" because you are a lightweight who has nothing worthwhile to contribute to the debate. As for fear, you are the lads starting threads wondering if ye'll get to avoid Kerry till the final !!

Face it Tyrone bies, you got your arses well and truly kicked on this thread !

You'll find that your debate was actually with a Down individual, d'oh! But good to see you're at least debating the points, not descending into ad hominem attacks, welcome!

[MacCruiskeen]

I thought you Tyrone ones loved bitin' Kerry men?

[Fear ón Srath Bán]

I thought you Tyrone ones loved bitin' Kerry men?

"Bitin'"?!... Nah, thumpin', thumpin' (on the park that is)! 

[Mike Sheehy]

You'll find that your debate was actually with a Down individual, d'oh!

Down, Tyrone, Armagh...who cares....you all come out with the same excuses about why you have only won 15 AI in the last 120 years.

But good to see you're at least debating the points, not descending into ad hominem attacks, welcome!

I'm no saint, however I never instigate slagging at the personal level unless someone first has a go at me.

[Jinxy]

Do Kerry get a free ride from the press for their cynical tactics?
Taking this question and applying it to last Sundays game you can look at a few incidents.

When Cork were chasing the game Kerry seemed to pull down their men out the field rather than let the play develop. This was best shown by Quirke pulling down Pearse O'Neill with what call only be called a rugby tackle. This cynical play but hardly enough to label the team as cynical. the rules are there to cover this and no supporter of any county would thank one of their players for letting the opposition walk up the field.

When Pearse O'Neill was going to collect the ball close to goal he was kicked into the air by a sliding tackle from the goalkeeper. This kind of tackle can break a players leg. What would have been the reaction if Kieran O'Connor had slid in and kicked the legs from the gooch before his goal. As it was the incident wasn't deemed worthy of a replay.

After this incident, said goalkeeper rounded on the umpire and intimidated him into putting down the flag he was raising. If I was the umpire I'd have stuck up the flag and then reported the verbals to the ref. (But I may be biased :-)  )

Tomas O'Sè pulling back Kavanagh? What defender wouldn't have made a last ditch effort. I wouldn't put this on the same level as their goalie's wreckless lunge.

With time running out Noel O'Leary was seen receiving attention for a blow to the stomach. Soon after Paul Galvin was substituted. Thumping a player off the ball goes into my book as cynical. Does Pat O'Shea taking him off, indicate a worrying sign of civility from a Kerry manager.

So overall Kerry did what they had to do, to get the win.
Everyone is going to make up their own opinions on it.

Well, almost everyone.... but I wouldn't get too worried about the likes of Morrissey, Canning, and Colm O'Rourke labelling them as superstars after coming through a tight game by playing every card they know, while closely contested games up north are blanket covered by the terms poor game or dour struggles. The media do play Kerry up and struggle to analyse games on their own merits. They are as cynical as any other team.

Don't ever put the legend Colm O'Rourke in the same sentence as the words "Morrissey" and "Canning" again.

[Tyrones own]

Face it Tyrone bies, you got your arses well and truly kicked on this thread !

   Yerra FFS, untill ye can do something about getting your asses well and truly kicked in HQ by Tyrone, i believe
  the light weight tag is very much where it belongs, its becoming of ye