Petition of Concern - Plus ca change

Started by BarryBreensBandage, October 28, 2016, 09:27:15 PM

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imtommygunn

Quote from: armaghniac on October 29, 2016, 02:45:26 PM
Quote from: east down gael on October 28, 2016, 10:55:00 PM
I would imagine that a referendum on gay marriage would be passed with a large majority. I think in this day and age that it is desperately sad that people would vote against something that would make absolutely no difference to their own lives, yet would mean the world to those it actually concerns.

This is changing the definition of marriage, a fundamental human institution. This is is a lot more important than flegs and the like and not something to be done to "please" a handful of people.

Quote from: T Fearon on October 29, 2016, 02:07:53 PM
I told you before and repeatedly the people of the South and North are now fundamentally different,no pun intended.There is a highly religious dimension to the people of the North on all sides (only yesterday a Bloody Sunday Victim's brother admitted he voted TUV in the last election instead of the SDLP or SF,for maintaining his religious beliefs),whereas as the South is largely agnostic if not atheist.

There would be no majority vote from either side of the Northern Divide in favour of gay marriage

The majority might be less than in the 26 counties, but polls suggest otherwise. A lot of people, like east down gael above, will not think of the consequences.

I am married. If gay marriage were to go through it would not change one thing for me and my wife.

Are you married? What would be or feel different in your marriage if it were to go through?

It won't because the democratic party are anti democratic i know.

armaghniac

Quote from: imtommygunn on October 29, 2016, 02:51:05 PM

I am married. If gay marriage were to go through it would not change one thing for me and my wife.


The individual effect is not the same as the aggregate one. For instance, someone could advocate not increasing welfare or the minimum wage to improve the incentive to work, and I could retort that my propensity to work was not affected by these things at all and why not put them up to help those concerned. My saying that does not change that there are some overall effects.
If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B

imtommygunn

Which are? Are they detrimental to marriage in general? If so how do you believe so?

I probably won't agree with you however i am interested in why you think this.

Gabriel_Hurl

Quote from: T Fearon on October 29, 2016, 02:07:53 PM
I told you before and repeatedly the people of the South and North are now fundamentally different,no pun intended.There is a highly religious dimension to the people of the North on all sides (only yesterday a Bloody Sunday Victim's brother admitted he voted TUV in the last election instead of the SDLP or SF,for maintaining his religious beliefs),whereas as the South is largely agnostic if not atheist.

There would be no majority vote from either side of the Northern Divide in favour of gay marriage



http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/gay-marriage-now-has-overwhelming-support-in-northern-ireland-poll-31355428.html

QuoteThe latest survey found that 68% of adults in Northern Ireland believe same-sex couples should be allowed to marry - compared to the 62.1% 'Yes' vote in the Republic.

Meanwhile, those from a Catholic background are more inclined to voice support for gay marriage, with three quarters (75%) agreeing that homosexual couples should be able to get married, compared to 57% of those from a Protestant community background.

Applesisapples

Quote from: T Fearon on October 29, 2016, 02:07:53 PM
I told you before and repeatedly the people of the South and North are now fundamentally different,no pun intended.There is a highly religious dimension to the people of the North on all sides (only yesterday a Bloody Sunday Victim's brother admitted he voted TUV in the last election instead of the SDLP or SF,for maintaining his religious beliefs),whereas as the South is largely agnostic if not atheist.

There would be no majority vote from either side of the Northern Divide in favour of gay marriage
Just because you told us before doesn't make it fact.