The official overcarrying thread

[screenexile]

The 'pulling down' part of the black card is causing ambiguity. The man on the street sees someone launch an arm out around the neck pulling a guy back causing him to go to ground... this is not a black card. There has to be a clear pulling DOWN motion

[blewuporstuffed]

The 'pulling down' part of the black card is causing ambiguity. The man on the street sees someone launch an arm out around the neck pulling a guy back causing him to go to ground... this is not a black card. There has to be a clear pulling DOWN motion

Unfortunatly its not just the man in the street struggling to make this distinction, the man in the middle isnt always calling it right either.

[highorlow]

There has to be a clear pulling DOWN motion

Please expand?

Is the rule not a deliberate pull down? That's what the commentators and co-commentators are always harping on about.

i.e. On Sunday, Moran's was delibrate = black but 'star's' foul was just blatant thuggery = yellow, even though it was deliberate blatant thuggery. Thems the rules lads!

[twohands!!!]

The wording is "deliberate pull down"

You have some people who seem to think a deliberate pull of any sort is a black card - even still at club games I regularly hear folks who should know better; the GAA commentators/pundits could definitely do a better job in explaining it to the more casual GAA watcher, however when you have the likes of Tommy Carr on RTE saying that a clear striking motion isn't even worthy of card it's now wonder the more casual GAA fan has trouble distinguishing what is and isn't a black card 18 months on.

On a related matter there's definitely scope for adding more offenses/improving the wording in relation to certain offences. I knew when I read the pull down bit of the rule it would inevitably lead to issues down the road. Q.E.D.

[manfromdelmonte]

A 'pull back' is not a black card
Nor is it a yellow card. Unless it is after the player already being 'noted' for another foul.

[macdanger2]

If a player pulls the jersey and holds on to it as his opponent goes to ground while moving away from him,  is that a pull down?

[Jell 0 Biafra]

If the pull was what caused the attacker to go down, then yes.  Otherwise  no.  At least as the rule is written.

[omaghjoe]

Sean Quigley gave the ball some amount of hops and solos for his first point on Sunday, he must have had one or the other for every couple of steps.