Donegal v Tyrone Sun 17 May

[trueblue1234]

Cassidy is 100% right about the way these things can grow legs, usually on the back of some spoofer who likes to let on he has the inside track telling other lads in the pub what REALLY happened.
The same thing happened with Martin O'Connell in '96 when he had scurrilous accusations levelled against him in the aftermath of the All-Ireland final.

Someone like Indiana then.

[omaghjoe]

Looks like someone was telling him what to do J70 eh???

Wasn't a couple of weeks after I heard it... was the day after not much time to grow legs Kevin?

IMO he would have been better sayin nothing, Peter Harte has never opened his mouth on the subject and he's the only man who can actually clear his name so until then....

Ok, someone told him Harte could get shaky with the frees if you gave him a bit of shit. And???

Well since we've already established that sledging was coached within the Donegal camp. I'm just wondering who was ultimately pulling the strings? Do you have any idea on that?

Peter Harte did not have form on collapsing under pressure. He's a level headed guy, who could have supposed that he would? What to say to him to make him do that? Who would have been the resident expert in the Donegal team at getting inside sportmen's heads

I'm not privy to what did or does go on in the Donegal camp or with Peter Harte ' s psyche.

But go ahead and tell us.

And then go apply the same standards of speculation to Tyrone's various teams.

I was asking you, if you dont know that's fine

But lets look at the facts regarding Donegal sledging:

• Cassidy said that sledging was alien to him.
• He says they were coached.
• He was told to target a specific player. 
• He also became very effective at it very quickly.

None of that is speculation

And for all we know a team mate played against Harte underage and observed him and told Cassidy. Or someone spoke to a friend from Tyrone or another county team.

One can see why McGuinness would be justifiably  upset with Bogue.

Ok, So research and premeditation into opponents you feel you could add to that as well? I'll have to stop you tho cos that's a presumption, there is no evidence for that.


Of course JMG was upset, the cat was very nearly outta the bag, so considering his personality type u can't blame him. Have you seen those clips of the rage Hilter flew into when he realised the game was up?
Don't feel sorry for Bogue tho, but then can you imagine the hairdryer treatment big Durcan got last September.....

So now its a big deal because Cassidy was tipped off beforehand that Harte might get rattled if he gave him a bit of abuse? My god, won't someone think of the children, because that is unheard of! And they must have hired Columbo or Sherlock Holmes to come up with that piece of information which I'm sure came as a complete shock to everyone involved!

Have you ever set foot on a football or a soccer field?

Ehh? Big deal? Who said it was a big deal?

I'm just trying to establish facts here that have actual evidence to back them up. It was you that suggested it happened and I excluded it as it is only a presumption that you made.

Although you seem fierce keen to express your opinion throughout this so go on, lets hear it again...

If its not a big deal, what's with the Hitler references and all the rest? You're the one who said "looks like someone was telling him what to do J70 eh ? ??" and making implications that it was McGuinness (unless you're really going to argue that "resident expert at getting inside sportmens' head" wasn't him?). Now all of a sudden, you're not one for speculating?

OK then omaghjoe, you win the "debate".

Debate? there is no debate we are dealing with facts that's what you wanted at the outset wasnt it?

[BluestackBoy]

Good point Indi. You got me there.
I forgot he didn't play those years.
They just got lucky and even Tommy Lyons would have won Sam with that amazing Donegal team.
Same way Jim Gavin wasn't to blame last year for the Donegal defeat. He wasn't playing either.

Precisely a lot of these managers like Mc Guinness for example have egos so big they'd claim it was all about them. And in Jim's case that's absolutely right.

I'd reread Fuzz's post.

I've yet to hear a manager even remotely take credit for a major win / success. Its always about the players and their drive / commitment / sacrifice etc...., unless you're privy to these managers conversations at home with their wives in the privacy of their own home when they may say different (you prob are though)

I've heard plenty. You need to listen more to what they say. It's all about them

I take it this includes Jim Gavin as well?

[Jinxy]

Cassidy is 100% right about the way these things can grow legs, usually on the back of some spoofer who likes to let on he has the inside track telling other lads in the pub what REALLY happened.
The same thing happened with Martin O'Connell in '96 when he had scurrilous accusations levelled against him in the aftermath of the All-Ireland final.

Except all the evidence anyone needed was there on the TV, he held down Brian Dooher's head and stamped on it. Have you not seen it yet?

'in the aftermath of THE ALL IRELAND FINAL'

[muppet]

This thread needs to be deleted lads - its a lose:lose situation....the lack of respect it engenders and begrudgery is mental.
everyone is as innocent or as guilty as everyone else...close it down to f**k and move on

Is that you ◼️◼️◼️◼️◼️?

I promise I won't tell anyone.

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If true I hope the culprit gets hammered for it.
Whilst I don't agree with Bonnars running to the media about it the ensuing public scrutiny (witch-hunt depending upon perspective) means that it cannot be swept under the carpet.