Referees getting more protection

[Milltown Row2]

In fairness Referees are really up against it with modern footballers. They are faster, stronger and getting more tuition in being cuter in the dark arts with and without the ball. Kerry taught Cormac Reilly a lesson or two (although he probably did not notice) in cute hoorism this year. Must be fairly embarrassing for Referees who have a stinker and realise it after. Wonder will Cormac don the Black suit in Championship again? Then again he is probably is oblivious to it!

players have stinkers too. It happens ffs

[blewuporstuffed]

So do you really think 2 referees will make it better? Name me two intercounty referees that haven't made a balls up? I cant think of any. Having two on the pitch will confuse it further. That referee allows this to happen on this side of pitch and he doesn't. He thinks its ok for that type of tackle and he to whistle happy......... If you want it right then take the contact out of the game, at that point ill not bother watchin playing or officiate in.

Enjoy it for what the game gives you. Take the rough with the smooth and move on. The amount of times I've to tell a player to shut the feck up and man up is unreal. Bunch of women

No harm Miltown, but its exactly that type of attitude from referees that piss people off, talking down to players manager etc as if they are bad children.
I have now doubt that referees get a huge amount of unwarrented critism for what is a very very tough job, but on alot of occasions it that type of attitude being taken as much as the fact that they got a call wrong that causes the anger.
I am all for the Give respect, Get Respect campaign, but there are quite a few referees ( a very high profile one in tyrone being a prime example) who seem to think it only works one way, they expect thier decisions to be resepcted while treating everyone they encounter like something they found on their shoe.

Your main arguement seems to be its ok for referees to make mistakes because players make mistakes.
Now that is fine, we will never total irradicate human error from refereeing, but that doesnt mean we dont try.
The game is moving on all the time, players, manager etc are doing more and more to further their game with the fitness levels increasing the ammount of training done etc to try and further thier performance,to try and illiminate the numebr of mistake they make in a game.
You are equating referees mistakes to players mistake, so why then can we not expect referees and refereeing standards to be at least trying to improve as well instead of this
'tough luck, get on with it attitude' ?

[Milltown Row2]

Try refereeing a div one game were grown men gurn for every 'free' attitude you speak off is a two way street. Simples. Once a player gets his head round that then we can have sensible dialogue with players. Referees want an easy game but some of it is from start to finish. Calling you a cheat,cnut,w**ker...... Could go on but sure you'd be grand with that?

The referee doesn't care who wins. Just wants a quality game. For me as a player I love being involved in big games. I don't care or seek attention but like players there can be attention seekers, ot happens and we well i do, analyze the game afterwards on way home. Ears still ringing

[blewuporstuffed]

Try refereeing a div one game were grown men gurn for every 'free' attitude you speak off is a two way street. Simples. Once a player gets his head round that then we can have sensible dialogue with players. Referees want an easy game but some of it is from start to finish. Calling you a cheat,cnut,w**ker...... Could go on but sure you'd be grand with that?

The referee doesn't care who wins. Just wants a quality game. For me as a player I love being involved in big games. I don't care or seek attention but like players there can be attention seekers, ot happens and we well i do, analyze the game afterwards on way home. Ears still ringing

Thats exactly my point, its a two way street.
Im not defending abuse of referees and if a referee is called a cheating cnut or fcked off or whatever he is well within his right to show a black card for it, thats what its there for, But the point is, this shouldnt allow him to speak to players in a similar manner.

[brokencrossbar1]

I don't believe that having 2 refs is the answer,  it would suit better to give the linesmen and umpires extra powers.  There are currently 7 officials on the field of play, why add another?

I think one of the biggest problems are not the amount of the refs but the consistency of the implementation of the rules and also the players/managements/fans knowledge of the rules.  Lots of people seem to think they know the rules but they are only interested in their 'interpretation' of them.  I think from an education point of view that there should be an annual event whereby all club managers and county managers attend a course where the likes of the Slasher gives a comprehensive breakdown of the rules and how they will be implemented.  Give this course an accreditation and managers cannot take on a team without it for the year. 

[Milltown Row2]

Try refereeing a div one game were grown men gurn for every 'free' attitude you speak off is a two way street. Simples. Once a player gets his head round that then we can have sensible dialogue with players. Referees want an easy game but some of it is from start to finish. Calling you a cheat,cnut,w**ker...... Could go on but sure you'd be grand with that?

The referee doesn't care who wins. Just wants a quality game. For me as a player I love being involved in big games. I don't care or seek attention but like players there can be attention seekers, ot happens and we well i do, analyze the game afterwards on way home. Ears still ringing

Thats exactly my point, its a two way street.
Im not defending abuse of referees and if a referee is called a cheating cnut or fcked off or whatever he is well within his right to show a black card for it, thats what its there for, But the point is, this shouldnt allow him to speak to players in a similar manner.

Right so a player can give the referee abuse and the ref should be robotic about it. Show appropriate card and move on, hmmmmm get real. We are only human ffs. If players played within the rules wed all be happy.

I personally don't take it. And I find most games i do there is little of it. But in the main its largely football games, pretty high percentage. Why is that?

[Milltown Row2]

I don't believe that having 2 refs is the answer,  it would suit better to give the linesmen and umpires extra powers.  There are currently 7 officials on the field of play, why add another?

I think one of the biggest problems are not the amount of the refs but the consistency of the implementation of the rules and also the players/managements/fans knowledge of the rules.  Lots of people seem to think they know the rules but they are only interested in their 'interpretation' of them.  I think from an education point of view that there should be an annual event whereby all club managers and county managers attend a course where the likes of the Slasher gives a comprehensive breakdown of the rules and how they will be implemented.  Give this course an accreditation and managers cannot take on a team without it for the year.

You know more than most how difficult it is to keep cool on the line.

[brokencrossbar1]

I don't believe that having 2 refs is the answer,  it would suit better to give the linesmen and umpires extra powers.  There are currently 7 officials on the field of play, why add another?

I think one of the biggest problems are not the amount of the refs but the consistency of the implementation of the rules and also the players/managements/fans knowledge of the rules.  Lots of people seem to think they know the rules but they are only interested in their 'interpretation' of them.  I think from an education point of view that there should be an annual event whereby all club managers and county managers attend a course where the likes of the Slasher gives a comprehensive breakdown of the rules and how they will be implemented.  Give this course an accreditation and managers cannot take on a team without it for the year.

You know more than most how difficult it is to keep cool on the line.

Hence my belief that education as opposed to regulation is the way to go.

[blewuporstuffed]

Try refereeing a div one game were grown men gurn for every 'free' attitude you speak off is a two way street. Simples. Once a player gets his head round that then we can have sensible dialogue with players. Referees want an easy game but some of it is from start to finish. Calling you a cheat,cnut,w**ker...... Could go on but sure you'd be grand with that?

The referee doesn't care who wins. Just wants a quality game. For me as a player I love being involved in big games. I don't care or seek attention but like players there can be attention seekers, ot happens and we well i do, analyze the game afterwards on way home. Ears still ringing

Thats exactly my point, its a two way street.
Im not defending abuse of referees and if a referee is called a cheating cnut or fcked off or whatever he is well within his right to show a black card for it, thats what its there for, But the point is, this shouldnt allow him to speak to players in a similar manner.

Right so a player can give the referee abuse and the ref should be robotic about it. Show appropriate card and move on, hmmmmm get real. We are only human ffs. If players played within the rules wed all be happy.

I personally don't take it. And I find most games i do there is little of it. But in the main its largely football games, pretty high percentage. Why is that?

No.
Where do i say that a  player should be able to give a referee abuse??
If the same rules where consitently applied we'd all be happy as well.

[Canalman]

Try refereeing a div one game were grown men gurn for every 'free' attitude you speak off is a two way street. Simples. Once a player gets his head round that then we can have sensible dialogue with players. Referees want an easy game but some of it is from start to finish. Calling you a cheat,cnut,w**ker...... Could go on but sure you'd be grand with that?

The referee doesn't care who wins. Just wants a quality game. For me as a player I love being involved in big games. I don't care or seek attention but like players there can be attention seekers, ot happens and we well i do, analyze the game afterwards on way home. Ears still ringing

Thats exactly my point, its a two way street.
Im not defending abuse of referees and if a referee is called a cheating cnut or fcked off or whatever he is well within his right to show a black card for it, thats what its there for, But the point is, this shouldnt allow him to speak to players in a similar manner.

Think you have unintentionally hit the nail on the head there. Doubt there is any sport worth mentioning that would have someone casually mention that by calling a referee a "cheating c......" the referee is "within his right to show a black card" . It is and always should be a red card offence for any sport I know of to say that to a referee.

Obviously not a black card in every sport but hope the gist of my point is clear.

Too many players and mentors have utter contempt for a referee in Gaelic Football . Less so in hurling curiously enough.

My playing days are long over but I have never ever heard a referee curse at a player during all my time playing. Some great put downs but never a curse.

[blewuporstuffed]

Try refereeing a div one game were grown men gurn for every 'free' attitude you speak off is a two way street. Simples. Once a player gets his head round that then we can have sensible dialogue with players. Referees want an easy game but some of it is from start to finish. Calling you a cheat,cnut,w**ker...... Could go on but sure you'd be grand with that?

The referee doesn't care who wins. Just wants a quality game. For me as a player I love being involved in big games. I don't care or seek attention but like players there can be attention seekers, ot happens and we well i do, analyze the game afterwards on way home. Ears still ringing

Thats exactly my point, its a two way street.
Im not defending abuse of referees and if a referee is called a cheating cnut or fcked off or whatever he is well within his right to show a black card for it, thats what its there for, But the point is, this shouldnt allow him to speak to players in a similar manner.

Think you have unintentionally hit the nail on the head there. Doubt there is any sport worth mentioning that would have someone casually mention that by calling a referee a "cheating c......" the referee is "within his right to show a black card" . It is and always should be a red card offence for any sport I know of to say that to a referee.

Obviously not a black card in every sport but hope the gist of my point is clear.

Too many players and mentors have utter contempt for a referee in Gaelic Football . Less so in hurling curiously enough.

My playing days are long over but I have never ever heard a referee curse at a player during all my time playing. Some great put downs but never a curse.

My point is, the referee has the mechism to deal with it, wetehr thats a red or black card or whatever.
Maybe its a recent development then, but as a current player, I can assure you i have regulary heard referees swearing at players.
As I said, one high profile one in particular springs to mind.

[Milltown Row2]

Im not saying its right to curse at at player. Same as a player not cursing at a referee. So Whats your point then? Referee will react to a situation same way a player will when he believes hes been wronged. If the referee has said fcuk up then hes said it. He hasnt questioned his parentage or said he was cheating fecker. Dry your eyes and get on with it. If someone is willing to give it he will sometimes get it back. Maybe not right but hes only human. Everyone has a breaking point

[blewuporstuffed]

Im not saying its right to curse at at player. Same as a player not cursing at a referee. So Whats your point then? Referee will react to a situation same way a player will when he believes hes been wronged. If the referee has said fcuk up then hes said it. He hasnt questioned his parentage or said he was cheating fecker. Dry your eyes and get on with it. If someone is willing to give it he will sometimes get it back. Maybe not right but hes only human. Everyone has a breaking point

My point is, its about respect. To expect to get it ( which every referee should get) you should also be expected to behave in a  manner that shows some level of repsect to everyone else involved in the game.
It doesnt have to be directly sworn at either , there is a way of speaking to people that gains thier respect.
Most of the best referees I have encountered, when a decision is queried* will try and explain why that decision was made, not this 'dry your eyes' or 'f**k up 'attitude.

* when i say queried I mean when a player asks calmly what  certain decison was given for or questions why a foup wasnt given , NOT  swearing at a referee or calling him a cheat or whatever, that should always be a yellow/black/red card as appropriete.

It works in rugby and that is always held up as an example for both players and referees.

[Milltown Row2]

Im not saying its right to curse at at player. Same as a player not cursing at a referee. So Whats your point then? Referee will react to a situation same way a player will when he believes hes been wronged. If the referee has said fcuk up then hes said it. He hasnt questioned his parentage or said he was cheating fecker. Dry your eyes and get on with it. If someone is willing to give it he will sometimes get it back. Maybe not right but hes only human. Everyone has a breaking point

My point is, its about respect. To expect to get it ( which every referee should get) you should also be expected to behave in a  manner that shows some level of repsect to everyone else involved in the game.
It doesnt have to be directly sworn at either , there is a way of speaking to people that gains thier respect.
Most of the best referees I have encountered, when a decision is queried* will try and explain why that decision was made, not this 'dry your eyes' or 'f**k up 'attitude.

* when i say queried I mean when a player asks calmly what  certain decison was given for or questions why a foup wasnt given , NOT  swearing at a referee or calling him a cheat or whatever, that should always be a yellow/black/red card as appropriete.

It works in rugby and that is always held up as an example for both players and referees.

I understand where you are coming from I do, I'll give you an example that happened on Saturday, I refereed a game and one team was very dominate with the wind early on, knocked up a 8 point lead before the break, no issues from either team, the team losing felt wind was strong enough to get back into the game. Second half started and the team in front knocked in a goal and a point at the start! I'd refereed the game with no issues the same way the second half, same style that they were used too, conditions were bad so allowed accidental slips and the like to go. Once it became apparent that the home team was losing then the grief started!!

The manager, an ex referee ffs (who knows me well) started to grief me out for the last 20 minutes, when two of his players collided for a ball he came onto the pitch to check they were ok, giving off the whole time saying I caused it!! 2 players from same team collided and I caused it. I spoke to him and said that the score was 3-10 to 1-3 which had nothing to do with me, he went ballistic the two injured players jumped up and called me all sorts, sent them off.

Morale of the story is no matter what you do/say will never appease everybody, generally the team that gets beat is the one that slabbers the most (in my experience). Is it any wonder why we can't get ex players to become referees when ex referees give you the hassle they got for years lol.......