Are you prepared to boycott match’s….

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snoopdog


seafoid

Quote from: snoopdog on September 12, 2025, 06:56:37 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 07, 2025, 07:39:49 PMhttps://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2025/0907/1532271-gaa-refer-allianz-partnership-to-their-ethics-committee/
They don't care where the money comes from. Do kingspan still sponsor ulster Rugby also?
Thry got a lot of bad press from grenfel


Israel has killed over 100,000 people. Grenfell wasn't on that scale.

imtommygunn

Quote from: snoopdog on September 12, 2025, 06:56:37 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 07, 2025, 07:39:49 PMhttps://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2025/0907/1532271-gaa-refer-allianz-partnership-to-their-ethics-committee/
They don't care where the money comes from. Do kingspan still sponsor ulster Rugby also?
Thry got a lot of bad press from grenfel



I only noticed the other day driving that way that the sign wasn't for kingspan stadium it was for something else so I don't think they still sponsor ulster.

That doesn't matter SF. It's still accepted here, there and everywhere.

Milltown Row2

None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought.

Evil Genius

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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 12, 2025, 07:29:57 AM
Quote from: Evil Genius on September 12, 2025, 01:13:00 AMhttps://sportforbusiness.com/kingspan-signs-sponsorship-deal-with-gaelic-games-europe/

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyne526506o

Wouldn't matter to you anyways, sure the GAA is the IRA at play

That would supersede the grenfel tower disaster

Must do better
What on earth are you on about?

This thread is discussing sponsorships/boycotts etc, particularly as they concern the GAA (the clue is in the forum name). For my own part, I knew about the controversy of Kingspan sponsoring Ulster Rugby and the latter's disinclination to end it before the contract ran out, presumably for financial reasons. And knowing, also, that Kingspan is an Irish company, I wondered whether they also sponsored GAA.

At which a simple google showed that the GAA accepted their sponsorship a few months after Kingspan were roundly condemmed for their part in Grenfell, including a "complete disregard for fire safety" in how it marketed one of its products and that it also demonstrated "deeply entrenched and persistent dishonesty...in pursuit of commercial gain".

But heyho, Seafoid tells us we may disregard that, since "only" 72 people, from a six month old baby to an 84 year old woman, were suffocated or burned to death in what should have been both a forseeable and avoidable disaster.

Perhaps I really must do better... ::)

EDIT: On reflection, I realise you may have been making a point about how my (occasional) contributions get disregarded by some, not because of what they say, but because of who they perceive me to be (one of "Themmuns"). If so, please accept my apology.
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"We don't need guns"
"Yes you fuckin' do"

gallsman

Yes, you "really must do better".

A simple Google did not tell you that "the GAA" accepted sponsorship. It told you that Gaelic Games Europe did. Essentially a county board, albeit one about a tenth the size and about a hundredth as professional as the smallest and worst run county board in Ireland.

As someone quite closely involved with Gaelic Games Europe in one capacity or another for the last ten years, I can tell you that this particular sponsorship deal raised more than a few eyebrows. It was negotiated by a few select individuals and not subject to a vote. Which, in my individual opinion, remains no defence whatsoever. Feel free to ask any questions you want in your quest to do better.

Baile Brigín 2

Quote from: gallsman on September 12, 2025, 01:18:19 PMYes, you "really must do better".

A simple Google did not tell you that "the GAA" accepted sponsorship. It told you that Gaelic Games Europe did. Essentially a county board, albeit one about a tenth the size and about a hundredth as professional as the smallest and worst run county board in Ireland.

As someone quite closely involved with Gaelic Games Europe in one capacity or another for the last ten years, I can tell you that this particular sponsorship deal raised more than a few eyebrows. It was negotiated by a few select individuals and not subject to a vote. Which, in my individual opinion, remains no defence whatsoever. Feel free to ask any questions you want in your quest to do better.
How is that different to the Allianz deal though?

The GAA either has an ethical sponsorship policy or it doesn't.

Evil Genius

Quote from: gallsman on September 12, 2025, 01:18:19 PMYes, you "really must do better".

A simple Google did not tell you that "the GAA" accepted sponsorship. It told you that Gaelic Games Europe did. Essentially a county board, albeit one about a tenth the size and about a hundredth as professional as the smallest and worst run county board in Ireland.

As someone quite closely involved with Gaelic Games Europe in one capacity or another for the last ten years, I can tell you that this particular sponsorship deal raised more than a few eyebrows. It was negotiated by a few select individuals and not subject to a vote. Which, in my individual opinion, remains no defence whatsoever. Feel free to ask any questions you want in your quest to do better.
OK, I'll accept the ("county board") distinction you make. But in the end, GGE is either part of the GAA or it isn't and your post suggests it is.
While the mechanism by which the decision was reached ("few individuals") doesn't absolve the organisation from that decision, as you seem to acknowledge.
Therefore the principled thing to do would have been for the parent body (GAA) to intervene to require the sponsorship to be terminated, or at least for adherents to boycott GGE.
Unless, of course, those adherents either don't consider that Kingspan's association with them is a problem, or don't consider it worth more than a perfunctory protest (a "strongly worded letter" to someone or other?).

None of which is to overstate any of what is an otherwise minor matter, rather it was more for illustrative purposes, especially how difficult this can all be, and not least for individuals who shout loudly about boycotts over issues they feel strongly about, while (conveniently) ignoring other like issues which may have a similar principle involved.
"If you come in here again, you'd better bring guns"
"We don't need guns"
"Yes you fuckin' do"

gallsman

Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 12, 2025, 02:33:42 PMHow is that different to the Allianz deal though?

The GAA either has an ethical sponsorship policy or it doesn't.

One is a small deal negotiated by a few cowboys in the shadows in a small time organisation who don't have access to or the wherewithal to seek out advice, be that PR, legal or commercial.

The other is a national sponsorship deal negotiated by the full time professional administrators of the largest and best run sporting organisation on the island.

Just because they're both awful in different ways doesn't make them the same.

Quote from: Evil Genius on September 12, 2025, 02:39:04 PMOK, I'll accept the ("county board") distinction you make. But in the end, GGE is either part of the GAA or it isn't and your post suggests it is.

Of course it is, but being part of something is very different from being something. You said "the GAA" accepted a deal with Kingspan. You were wrong.

Baile Brigín 2

If Croke Park can find out about and punish clubs for renting their astro to soccer kids, they can influence a sponsorship deal.

The GAA is a heavily centralised organisation when it suits.

Rossfan

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