Surely to god It's time to stop the nonsense and introduce a clock

Started by sligoman2, August 03, 2014, 05:58:35 PM

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Dont Matter

'Dublin is not a national problem, it's a national opportunity.'
Peter Quinn

Johnnybegood

Quote from: Dont Matter on August 06, 2014, 09:25:23 AM
The ref got word in his mic from the powers above. "The Dubs are in trouble, blow it up quick, we need another round out of them", the whistle was blown and Dubl$n were saved.
any chance if a table of stats to back that up  ;D

criostlinn

The players shouldn't have to ask the ref. it should be clear for all concerned how long is left and a countdown clock would sort this out.
This craic of "at least" 2 mins injury time is the problem. Colm O Neill had to ask the ref how long was left despite a clock in the stadium and a sign and announcement about 2 mins injury time. Despite all this Colm O Neill like everyone else still hadn't a clue what was really left. The ref ended up playing 2'50secs even though the only time wasting in injury time was as a result of Cork frees.

With a countdown clock everybody knows what's happening. Even if the clock was never stopped at least at the end of the game everyone is clear on the time left. When you see hawk eye in action you have to wonder why something as simple as a stop clock cannot be brought into the game

AQMP

Is the ref under any obligation to inform a player as to how long is left in a game?

If independent time keeping were to come to pass I'd personally favour a version of the system used in rugby when the ref informs a time keeper to stop the clock for an injury, schemozzle, a player deliberately (in the ref's opinion) wasting time, giving out cards etc.  Then blow it up when the clock reaches 35 or 70??

sligoman2

Quote from: Hound on August 06, 2014, 08:47:28 AM
Quote from: Itchy on August 05, 2014, 07:51:38 PM
Quote from: Hound on August 03, 2014, 11:02:35 PM
none of yis have the first clue what you're talking about and have clearly never watched women's football!

The clock does not stop for bookings, for frees, or for goalkicks.

The ref blew the whistle at the right time. The clock was on the screen for all the players to see. If the hooter had been in operation it would have went at exactly the same time the ref blew the whistle. So having the clock would change nothing.

The freetaker may have misunderstood the ref's call, but that'll teach him for not watching the All Ireland final last year and seeing Cillian O'Connor making the same mistake. The Cork lad deserves a good kick up the hole for kicking the ball over the bar. No excuse for such stupidity.

I think you are wrong about one thing hound, if the clock had been there it would've changed the fact that the Cork lads would have tried for a goal with the last free. The ref told them there was time left hence they tapped it over. Not that hard to understand is it?

The ref told him there was "about a minute left".

O'Neill put the ball down, sized it up, put it over the bar.
Keeper got a ball and a tee, walked out and placed it down, looked up to see his options, fired it out to the middle of the field.
As the ball was just coming down in the middle of the field, the ref blew for full time.

The final whistle blew approximately 55 seconds after the ref told O'Neill there was "about a minute" left. Having a clock on the sideline would have made absolutely no difference to this.

This exact same thing happened to Cillian O'Connor in the All Ireland final last year. O'Connor had no reason whatsover to think the clock was stopped when the ref told him what time was left, but nonetheless that's what he thought, and its fair to say a few others would have had the same misconception. But after the publicity that received, there's absolutely no excuse for O'Neill or anyone else to make the very same mistake this year.

This is why I have said that you stop the clock when the ball is not in play in the last 2 or 3 minutes.  Not in play includes sidelines, kick outs, 45's, frees etc. Once the foul is committed, the click stops until play resumes.  This way there is no confusion, everyone knows how much time is left and refs aren't to blame.  It may cause a few frees to stop the clock but it's worth it.

After training hard all year, diets, gym, travel, injuries and other sarcrifices, the least the GAA could do is let players know EXACTLY how much time is left so they can make a decision based on facts rather than abouts or maybes.  It's an easy solution.
I used to be indecisive but now I'm not too sure.

AZOffaly

What's wrong with the rugby scenario? The clock counts to the half time or full time mark, and the players know that when the ball goes dead next, the game is over. Clock stops when the ref says to stop it etc.

It's going to be hard, though, to introduce good clock management into club games etc, so this would probably just be for inter county championship games.

manfromdelmonte

so does the game end on the hooter or when the ball goes out of play after the hooter?

if you added 30 secs for every substitution in the game you could have at least 6 minutes extra in every game.

blewuporstuffed

Quote from: AZOffaly on August 06, 2014, 01:34:51 PM
What's wrong with the rugby scenario? The clock counts to the half time or full time mark, and the players know that when the ball goes dead next, the game is over. Clock stops when the ref says to stop it etc.

It's going to be hard, though, to introduce good clock management into club games etc, so this would probably just be for inter county championship games.

I would agree, the way the time is managed in rugby would also be the best system for GAA, but there is always a reluctance to be seen 'copying' something from another code, no matter how sensible a solution it might be.
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AZOffaly

Quote from: blewuporstuffed on August 06, 2014, 01:42:55 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 06, 2014, 01:34:51 PM
What's wrong with the rugby scenario? The clock counts to the half time or full time mark, and the players know that when the ball goes dead next, the game is over. Clock stops when the ref says to stop it etc.

It's going to be hard, though, to introduce good clock management into club games etc, so this would probably just be for inter county championship games.

I would agree, the way the time is managed in rugby would also be the best system for GAA, but there is always a reluctance to be seen 'copying' something from another code, no matter how sensible a solution it might be.

Dunno about that. We copied the red and yellow cards, and that poxy handshake. Maybe we could borrow the good stuff instead of the crap.

Collie Brolly

Quote from: Dont Matter on August 06, 2014, 09:25:23 AM
The ref got word in his mic from the powers above. "The Dubs are in trouble, blow it up quick, we need another round out of them", the whistle was blown and Dubl$n were saved.

Not if the Dubs walked off the field would they have been in.trouble in that game.

Hound

Quote from: AQMP on August 06, 2014, 12:31:08 PM
Is the ref under any obligation to inform a player as to how long is left in a game?

Good refs will tell the player. Refs who are dickheads won't.

The rugby rule is the only sensible solution. Play continues until there's a score or it goes out for a sideline ball or goalkick.

Syferus

Quote from: Hound on August 06, 2014, 09:06:01 PM
Quote from: AQMP on August 06, 2014, 12:31:08 PM
Is the ref under any obligation to inform a player as to how long is left in a game?

Good refs will tell the player. Refs who are d**kheads won't.

The rugby rule is the only sensible solution. Play continues until there's a score or it goes out for a sideline ball or goalkick.

Or the team in possession fouls.

blewuporstuffed

Quote from: Syferus on August 06, 2014, 09:14:45 PM
Quote from: Hound on August 06, 2014, 09:06:01 PM
Quote from: AQMP on August 06, 2014, 12:31:08 PM
Is the ref under any obligation to inform a player as to how long is left in a game?

Good refs will tell the player. Refs who are d**kheads won't.

The rugby rule is the only sensible solution. Play continues until there's a score or it goes out for a sideline ball or goalkick.

Or the team in possession fouls.

If thats the case they can kick the resulting free out of play to end the game
I can only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow doesn't look good either