Nuclear Power in Ireland

[Main Street]

In Finland they are building Nuclear power stations and have 'invented' their way to store the waste at a cost of Eur3bn? for 4 stations, no one can say it's 'safe' but their way is as safe as it gets. Typical problems are construction delays and delayed projects running over budget by 3 times.
Construction labour is typically the cheapest on offer, mainly migrants from the poorest Euro regions, non unionised and exploitable. How safe can the construction quality be? will they be using the proper rivets?
Work out the cost, construction, maintenance,  importing uranium (plus all those related uranium mining hazards, eg in Africa), environmental hazards, waste disposal and deconstruction after the endlife has been reached, (40 years?) and I have my doubts that it even makes economic sense.

[macdanger2]

author=J70 link=topic=22976.msg1217649#msg1217649

Why is there no effective way to store it?

What kind of environmental impact does wave energy have?

Why is there no effectivel way to store it? Because we cannot possibly have the technology which lasts that long.

On the effect of wave energy on the environment, I genuinely don't know

[lawnseed]

hold on.. 10000 years! thats longer than the pyramids exist or any of the recognisable existing buildings its too long. can you picture future tourists (who will be little coffee coloured weaklings) suiting up and tramping through our nuclear waste dumps while the guide tells them how we couldnt control our population growth, we overran the planet killing off wildlife, chopping down forests wiping out thousands of species in the process and then to put the cream on the cake we poisoned the place for 10000 years.

yep you had the stone age then the iron age and so on what will this time be called.. the stupid selfesh bastard age!

picture this instead. my grand father kept a half dozen cows and a couple of pigs it was a full time job with a bit of stone masonary thrown in on more land than we have now. but now because of oil (mechanisation) we are able to to keep ten times the stock on less land.. what happens when the oil runs out? half dozen cattle wont do much they wouldnt cream your tea. so we need to get off wasting precious oil by burning it in power stations and keep it for food production.  unless theres some thing else to power farming and food transport when the oil runs out we're gonna starve. i know john deere are working on a methane engine i dont think its a hit

[J70]

author=J70 link=topic=22976.msg1217649#msg1217649

Why is there no effective way to store it?

What kind of environmental impact does wave energy have?

Why is there no effectivel way to store it? Because we cannot possibly have the technology which lasts that long.

On the effect of wave energy on the environment, I genuinely don't know

We can't possibly have that technology?? Why not?  Not saying it will be easy or cost-free, but you're talking about a containment and shielding system, which is basically pretty low tech.

[muppet]

author=J70 link=topic=22976.msg1217649#msg1217649

Why is there no effective way to store it?

What kind of environmental impact does wave energy have?

Why is there no effectivel way to store it? Because we cannot possibly have the technology which lasts that long.

On the effect of wave energy on the environment, I genuinely don't know

We can't possibly have that technology?? Why not?  Not saying it will be easy or cost-free, but you're talking about a containment and shielding system, which is basically pretty low tech.

If North Korea fired everything they had, they wouldn't do as much damage as Anglo Irish Bank did. The International Community would never let us build a Nuclear Reactor.

However we should start building immediately, they will pay us to stop.

[J70]

hold on.. 10000 years! thats longer than the pyramids exist or any of the recognisable existing buildings its too long. can you picture future tourists (who will be little coffee coloured weaklings) suiting up and tramping through our nuclear waste dumps while the guide tells them how we couldnt control our population growth, we overran the planet killing off wildlife, chopping down forests wiping out thousands of species in the process and then to put the cream on the cake we poisoned the place for 10000 years.

yep you had the stone age then the iron age and so on what will this time be called.. the stupid selfesh b**tard age!

picture this instead. my grand father kept a half dozen cows and a couple of pigs it was a full time job with a bit of stone masonary thrown in on more land than we have now. but now because of oil (mechanisation) we are able to to keep ten times the stock on less land.. what happens when the oil runs out? half dozen cattle wont do much they wouldnt cream your tea. so we need to get off wasting precious oil by burning it in power stations and keep it for food production.  unless theres some thing else to power farming and food transport when the oil runs out we're gonna starve. i know john deere are working on a methane engine i dont think its a hit

We can all wring our hands and complain about the impact of humans on the environment, but we're all sitting here on computers or smart phones or iPads, most of us driving cars and living in climate-controlled houses on land that used to be wild, flying away on holidays or business and so on and on.

Given that none of us are willing to give up the tools that allow us to live in such consumptive fashion, what can we do except try to change society to the most environmentally friendly and efficient energy sources out there? The tar sands of Alberta and coal are not the answer. Zero emissions power production such as hydroelectricity comes with serious environmental costs too. Wind and solar certainly have their place, but are they going to be enough to meet the energy demands of rapidly developing consumer societies in Asia and Africa, on top of the accelerating demands of the western world? Do we just tell them to piss off, there's no more room for people who aspire to a western style level of comfort and convenience in their lives? Yes, nuclear energy will produce long-lived hazardous waste, but are a  number of localized bunkers buried deep under mountains worse than climate change, acid rain, habitat destruction etc. on a global scale?

[muppet]

hold on.. 10000 years! thats longer than the pyramids exist or any of the recognisable existing buildings its too long. can you picture future tourists (who will be little coffee coloured weaklings) suiting up and tramping through our nuclear waste dumps while the guide tells them how we couldnt control our population growth, we overran the planet killing off wildlife, chopping down forests wiping out thousands of species in the process and then to put the cream on the cake we poisoned the place for 10000 years.

yep you had the stone age then the iron age and so on what will this time be called.. the stupid selfesh b**tard age!

picture this instead. my grand father kept a half dozen cows and a couple of pigs it was a full time job with a bit of stone masonary thrown in on more land than we have now. but now because of oil (mechanisation) we are able to to keep ten times the stock on less land.. what happens when the oil runs out? half dozen cattle wont do much they wouldnt cream your tea. so we need to get off wasting precious oil by burning it in power stations and keep it for food production.  unless theres some thing else to power farming and food transport when the oil runs out we're gonna starve. i know john deere are working on a methane engine i dont think its a hit

We can all wring our hands and complain about the impact of humans on the environment, but we're all sitting here on computers or smart phones or iPads, most of us driving cars and living in climate-controlled houses on land that used to be wild, flying away on holidays or business and so on and on.

Given that none of us are willing to give up the tools that allow us to live in such consumptive fashion, what can we do except try to change society to the most environmentally friendly and efficient energy sources out there? The tar sands of Alberta and coal are not the answer. Zero emissions technologies like hydroelectricity come with serious environmental costs too. Wind and solar certainly have their place, but are they going to be enough to meet the energy demands of rapidly developing consumer societies in Asia and Africa, on top of the accelerating demands of the western world? Do we just tell them to piss off, there's no more room for people who aspire to a western style level of comfort and convenience in their lives? Yes, nuclear energy will produce long-lived hazardous waste, but are a  number of localized bunkers buried deep under mountains worse than climate change, acid rain, habitat destruction etc. on a global scale?

Gread, Dunfanaghy for the first Nuclear site and Errigal for the waste? 

[J70]

hold on.. 10000 years! thats longer than the pyramids exist or any of the recognisable existing buildings its too long. can you picture future tourists (who will be little coffee coloured weaklings) suiting up and tramping through our nuclear waste dumps while the guide tells them how we couldnt control our population growth, we overran the planet killing off wildlife, chopping down forests wiping out thousands of species in the process and then to put the cream on the cake we poisoned the place for 10000 years.

yep you had the stone age then the iron age and so on what will this time be called.. the stupid selfesh b**tard age!

picture this instead. my grand father kept a half dozen cows and a couple of pigs it was a full time job with a bit of stone masonary thrown in on more land than we have now. but now because of oil (mechanisation) we are able to to keep ten times the stock on less land.. what happens when the oil runs out? half dozen cattle wont do much they wouldnt cream your tea. so we need to get off wasting precious oil by burning it in power stations and keep it for food production.  unless theres some thing else to power farming and food transport when the oil runs out we're gonna starve. i know john deere are working on a methane engine i dont think its a hit

We can all wring our hands and complain about the impact of humans on the environment, but we're all sitting here on computers or smart phones or iPads, most of us driving cars and living in climate-controlled houses on land that used to be wild, flying away on holidays or business and so on and on.

Given that none of us are willing to give up the tools that allow us to live in such consumptive fashion, what can we do except try to change society to the most environmentally friendly and efficient energy sources out there? The tar sands of Alberta and coal are not the answer. Zero emissions technologies like hydroelectricity come with serious environmental costs too. Wind and solar certainly have their place, but are they going to be enough to meet the energy demands of rapidly developing consumer societies in Asia and Africa, on top of the accelerating demands of the western world? Do we just tell them to piss off, there's no more room for people who aspire to a western style level of comfort and convenience in their lives? Yes, nuclear energy will produce long-lived hazardous waste, but are a  number of localized bunkers buried deep under mountains worse than climate change, acid rain, habitat destruction etc. on a global scale?

Gread, Dunfanaghy for the first Nuclear site and Errigal for the waste? 

Maybe it would be better to put Bundoran out of its misery! 

[muppet]

Gread, Dunfanaghy for the first Nuclear site and Errigal for the waste? 

Maybe it would be better to put Bundoran out of its misery! 

Deal!