Lay off MH - SF apologists examine your own conscience

[Maguire01]

This is a very difficult and complicated subject for many people and political parties not just SF,but this is and has been SF policy on this subject for a few years now.Also their policy on Marie Stopes.

Abortion
We are opposed to the extension of the 1967 abortion act to the North of Ireland.  We are opposed to abortion on demand and as use as a contraceptive
We acknowledge that in certain circumstance where a women physical or mental wellbeing is in grave danger by virtue of continuing with a pregnancy, or in the case of pregnancy arising from rape, sexual abuse or incest that the final decision should rest with the woman.

I'm a bit confused as to why there's an opposition to the extension of the 1967 Act, given that the bit in bold appears more lenient than provisions of the Act itself.

[long term lurker]

Maguire, the distinction between Unionists and Nationalists was merely to prove that - as far as can be done in the absence of more accurate statistics - most Northern Nationalists oppose a Marie Stopes-type regime and so SF are not truly reflecting that body of opinion.

I cannot accept that a treatment which results in the death of another being is an act of charity.

[glens abu]

Maguire, the distinction between Unionists and Nationalists was merely to prove that - as far as can be done in the absence of more accurate statistics - most Northern Nationalists oppose a Marie Stopes-type regime and so SF are not truly reflecting that body of opinion.

I cannot accept that a treatment which results in the death of another being is an act of charity.

How do you know that?

[Maguire01]

I cannot accept that a treatment which results in the death of another being is an act of charity.

Well that's your problem. Marie Stopes is a charity - that is a fact. Just because you can't accept something doesn't mean it's not true.

[long term lurker]

Glens, I already did the math on that one in an earlier post.

Maguire, no it's not my problem. It is a problem for society that an organisation masquerading as a charity and having been accepted by some loose definition as same is prepared to break the law and cause unnecessary deaths.

[Maguire01]

Maguire, no it's not my problem. It is a problem for society that an organisation masquerading as a charity and having been accepted by some loose definition as same is prepared to break the law and cause unnecessary deaths.

Where do you get that from?

[ludermor]

Glens, I already did the math on that one in an earlier post.

Maguire, no it's not my problem. It is a problem for society that an organisation masquerading as a charity and having been accepted by some loose definition as same is prepared to break the law and cause unnecessary deaths.

So this is the last option in Muppets post number 2 of this thread.

[long term lurker]

It is a well known tactic of Marie Stopes to move into a country where abortion is illegal or tightly restricted and to push out the boundaries.

At a Stopes Conference in London in 2007 their Programme Director in South Africa Paul Cornellisson  admitted that Stopes would perform illegal abortions to help local pro-abortion campaigners liberalise the abortion law in namibia where abortion is restricted. You can actually google this video if you wish.

Key quote by Cornellisson: "I mean...we perform illegal abortions all over the world."

[long term lurker]

Ludermor,

It is not that, and again it seems some people spend more time nitpicking than thinking about the bigger picture.

I will write about more GAA-centred topics when I feel like doing so, today, next week, next month or whatever. It just happens that I think this subject more significant right now than 'predict the score' or other subjects trending elsewhere. No need to act like the thought police.

[lawnseed]

Glens, the problem is that SF's statement is wishful thinking.

There is no surer way of allowing the 1967 Abortion Act to apply in the North of Ireland and abortion on demand than to allow Marie Stopes to operate here. Operating within the law is the least of the concerns. As addressed in a previous post, the elastic term 'mental wellbeing' has been the spurious pretext of millions of abortions in Britain.

SF have spurned perhaps the best chance in a lifetime to protect against the 1967 Act. I accept some of the parties may have wanted to embarrass SF with the motion, but SF should be supporting it. The reasons SF are not supporting is less to do with actual problem with the legislation than with maintaining a vestige of unity and placating Caitriona Ruane and the pro-abortion element in the party south of the border.

welcome to gaa board lurker. i see maguire is already annoying your ass. thats just the stope in him..

[LeoMc]

This is a very difficult and complicated subject for many people and political parties not just SF,but this is and has been SF policy on this subject for a few years now.Also their policy on Marie Stopes.

Abortion
We are opposed to the extension of the 1967 abortion act to the North of Ireland.  We are opposed to abortion on demand and as use as a contraceptive
We acknowledge that in certain circumstance where a women physical or mental wellbeing is in grave danger by virtue of continuing with a pregnancy, or in the case of pregnancy arising from rape, sexual abuse or incest that the final decision should rest with the woman.
   
Marie Stoops
The Marie Stopes clinic is a private institution. It has to operate under the guidelines and the legal framework set out by the Department of Health in the North.
The Marie Stopes clinic is a private institution, which offers a range of services the majority of which are not contentious. There is a concern around its role in relation to the provision of abortion services. It is very important that it operates within the law and its activity is monitored and regulated in this respect."

You must have used that word so often it's in your autocorrect.

[Pangurban]

In the absence of a proper referendum, the only recourse is for people to vent their anger at the Ballot Box ,against those parties, who blatantly ignore the views of their core supporters on this subject.This might even entail cross community voting, which will be very interesting

[Ulick]

In the absence of a proper referendum, the only recourse is for people to vent their anger at the Ballot Box ,against those parties, who blatantly ignore the views of their core supporters on this subject.This might even entail cross community voting, which will be very interesting

Passionate many people may be about abortion, it still is only a single issue and unlikely to spur very many people to change their voting habits.

[LeoMc]

In the absence of a proper referendum, the only recourse is for people to vent their anger at the Ballot Box ,against those parties, who blatantly ignore the views of their core supporters on this subject.This might even entail cross community voting, which will be very interesting

Passionate many people may be about abortion, it still is only a single issue and unlikely to spur very many people to change their voting habits.

We are just as much sheep up here.