Traveller attempts to rob family while they bury their son

[nifan]

Very good post lar, and i dont disagree much with it. Criminality is a problem - the population in the prisons would back up the example figures that you used or example.

To claim that Travellers are no more lawless than other sections of society, they would therefore need to make up 23% of present day Irish society.

The point for myself certainly is not that travelers are no more lawless that other sections of society, its that not all of them are lawless, not all of them are the same. Some people seem to want to classify them as all the same.
I would be interested to take the stats for the 0.5% poorest section of "indigenous" irish and see the difference - it would certainly be closer than a comparison of 0.5% traveler vs 99.5% non-traveler

Your point on the handball is a good one - a traveler as the chairman of a GAA club - A GAA club withmany traveler members - who was respected by other GAA members. A refreshing anecdote to hear in such a thread.

[The Subbie]

Very good post lar

Your point on the handball is a good one - a traveler as the chairman of a GAA club - A GAA club withmany traveler members - who was respected by other GAA members. A refreshing anecdote to hear in such a thread.

I'd second what NI fan said, very good post Lar and also NIfan that is refreshing to hear of such tales and i would be the first to take my hat of to them, the same as in an earlier post i mentioned the wanton dumping of rubbish by "settled people" after a fair in the expectation that "travelling folk" get blamed, disgusting.

Despite what some people have alluded to i do not hold views on minorities akin to the waffen ss, i have however had more than my share of encounters with the nomadic classes and they have not always covered themselve in glory.

As for pulling stats out of my ass( some would say its big enough ) i dont have the time during the day to go searching, simple.

I would agree that to tar all travellers as robbing, pensioner beating thugs is wrong, but the flip side of that is that lots of ordinary decent folk do live in fear, real fear,of these boyos calling to the house on the pretext of looking for scrap. That is wrong. There are also members of the travelling classes who live in fear of these boyos also, that to is wrong.

[nifan]

Fair enough subbie. The scumbags in the travelers, of which there are plenty, cause problems for everyone including their own.

[ardmhachaabu]

Fair enough subbie. The scumbags in the travelers, of which there are plenty, cause problems for everyone including their own.

That statement is true.  Other statements made by subbie in this thread weren't.

I would say subbie showed his true colours earlier, then when pulled up on his views, pulled his horns in a bit.

[Lar Naparka]

Fair enough subbie. The scumbags in the travelers, of which there are plenty, cause problems for everyone including their own.

Before the thread moves becomes inactive, I'd like to refer back to some figures supplied by nifan. In them I think you will find the core of the problem that causes so many of the rest of society to dislike and indeed fear all the members of this group.

Here are the figures I'm referring to:
about 5% of people in jail in ireland are travellers.
They make up about 0.5% of the population.

Without examining the stats any closer, you might say that Travellers are 10 times more likely to wind up in jail than non-Travellers. But while those figures may literally be true they tell only a very small part of the story.
Not all Travellers are likely to commit crimes that will land them in jail- not by a long shot.
Let's just say that those that do represent a quarter of the total Traveller community. That means that those in the section are now 40 times (10 x 4) more likely to commit crimes that involve jail sentences than members of the general public.
That alone is alarming but there is worse to come:
As nifan said, Travellers represent 5% of the total jail population but they are highly unlikely to wind up there because of involvement in any form of white collar crime.  In fact, the range of illegal activities Travellers engage in is quite limited- apart from driving offenses, they are most likely to be locked up because of crimes involving violence.
Those are the sort of acts that the general public are afraid of – I doubt if anyone stays awake at night worrying about being accosted by a dodgy car dealer or a crooked accountant. But they do worry about pitched battles on the streets, where pick axe handles and slash hooks are flying or of being mugged or having their homes burgled.
The figure I gave of 23% of those who committed violent crimes being incarcerated in Castlerea is therefore quite probably accurate. Remember I was referring to crimes with violence and discounting other forms of crime.
Throw in the fact that members of the Traveller community are quite easily recognisable as being such and I think you will get the picture as to why Travellers are held in fear and distrust by some many members of the rest of the people.
The pity is that very many Travellers do not engage in such activities but are feared and loathed because they can't be distinguished from the small, hard core of extremely violent and depraved individuals who care for the laws of neither God nor man.

[North Longford]

My sister told me a funny one yesterday.
She was in a steam room at a swimming pool when 3 traveller girls arrived in.
What appeared to her to be the alpha female was handed a bottle by one of the other girls which she looked at and goes ah f**k ya you stole the wrong fu***ng foundation. How the f**k do you expect me to wear that to the wedding. You're going to have to go back and steal the right one!!!
She reckoned when they all realised none of them had brought the shampoo it was hilarious!!

[muppet]

I know some posters may say that the 'settled' community is prejudiced/discriminatory/racist against the 'Traveller' community (I can't see how Travellers are a different race tbh) but is it any wonder when you read this kind of thing.

Human behaviour doesn't get much lower than this

A SUSPICIOUS caller arrived at the house of dead Garda Robert McCallion on Monday while his family were attending his State funeral.

The man, who is understood to be a member of the Travelling community, entered the grounds of the McCallion home at Park Road, Swinford, Co. Mayo, some ten minutes after the family had departed for the funeral Mass in the local Our Lady Help of Christians Church.

When questioned about the purpose of his presence by a garda who was on duty, the man claimed that he wanted to sympathise with the family.

The head of the Mayo Garda Division, Chief Superintendent Tony McNamara, confirmed last night there had been an incident but added there had been no arrest and there would be no charges.

Chief Supt McNamara added: "It has been decided that in view of the extreme sensitivity of the whole situation the matter will not be taken any further."

The McCallion family, father, Bob; mother, Nancy; brother, John and sisters, Noreen and Deirdre, vacated the family home around 12.30pm for the funeral Mass.

It is understood the man who was under suspicion arrived on the scene about ten minutes later.

- Tom Shiel

Maybe it does.

http://www.con-telegraph.ie/news/news-extra/2226-teenager-cleared-in-garda-death

[orangeman]

Must make it worse for the family who have not got justice.

[Aerlik]

Dozens of homes were destroyed by a huge bushfire that started on Sunday here in Perth.  On Monday, thieves were making the rounds of the homes that were left. 

How can people do this?

[muppet]

Dozens of homes were destroyed by a huge bushfire that started on Sunday here in Perth.  On Monday, thieves were making the rounds of the homes that were left. 

How can people do this?

I am warming to the US idea of 3 strikes and you are out.

[DrinkingHarp]

Dozens of homes were destroyed by a huge bushfire that started on Sunday here in Perth.  On Monday, thieves were making the rounds of the homes that were left. 

How can people do this?

I am warming to the US idea of 3 strikes and you are out.

Don't let Tyrones Own or Give Her Dixie see that muppet or you'll get it from both ends 

[muppet]

Dozens of homes were destroyed by a huge bushfire that started on Sunday here in Perth.  On Monday, thieves were making the rounds of the homes that were left. 

How can people do this?

I am warming to the US idea of 3 strikes and you are out.

Don't let Tyrones Own or Give Her Dixie see that muppet or you'll get it from both ends 

Nah some of the US interpretations are a bit extreme but I like the idea. I'd make it 3 serious crimes and that's it for a decade or something like that.

These people walking around with huge criminal records and continuing to add to it has to stop.