2011 Championship Draws, Live on RTE Thursday Night!

[Maguire01]

You do realise that peoples birthdays can fall at any point in a year, so simply adding years together isn't a great method of determining their age?  And also that journalists can also be lazy?

As I said, certain on Clerkin, very confident on the other two, I'll try to verifty their ages also though.

I do realise that birthdays fall throughout the year. But if a player is X years old during the 2010 Championship, they'll be X years old +1 for the 2011 Championship. A month here or there is really irrelevant to the substance of the argument.

You accused me of making up their ages. I gave you my sources. Now you're trying to 'catch me out' on the basis that they might have had a birthday in the last few months.

No, I wasn't. You stated their ages, I challenged them. Now you say, ah, but I meant their ages back in July. Talk about moving the goalposts!

You actually accused me of making them up. But i'm not moving any goalposts - some of them may have had birthdays in the past 3-4 months, but you don't know whether they did or not. If you can confirm otherwise, i'll gladly note their 'new' age (and the fact that they will be that same age if they play again next year).

But despite saying the ages I gave were wrong, you have been unable to say what age you think they are (apart from admitting that I was right with Freeman and that you think Clerkin is 29, after another poster first mentioned 29). If you were certain I was wrong, it should have been easy to correct me.

Regardless of whether their age in July isn't their age now... were you originally challenging me on the basis that I had potentially just missed a birthday in the last few months? Or did you actually think these players were significantly older than they are?

[Maguire01]

With regard to Clerkin, under Coyle if I remember rightly he was badly treated - he wasn't on the bench; he wasn't on the panel, in one of those years at least. He may have featured in a few trial games very early in the season, but if you are to count those as having a season then about 50 players have seasons with their counties every year.

Who's talking about trial games?

23.02.2003 NFL, Div 2 Derry 18  for Lennon
02.03.2003 NFL, Div 2 Longford 17 0-1 for P Finlay
09.03.2003 NFL, Div 2 Waterford 16  for S McManus
23.03.2003 NFL, Div 2 Clare 7

01.02.2004 NFL, Div 2 Carlow 20  for Doogan
08.02.2004 NFL, Div 2 Clare 10 1-1
15.02.2004 NFL, Div 2 Donegal 10   
07.03.2004 NFL, Div 2 London 12 0-3 
14.03.2004 NFL, Div 2 Roscommon 12 0-1 
21.03.2004 NFL, Div 2 Leitrim 12   
04.04.2004 NFL, Div 2 Offaly 12   
23.05.2004 Ulster SFC Armagh 12 0-2 
12.06.2004 Football Qualifiers Longford 12   

Now can you accept that Clerkin has just had his eleventh year on the squad?

[haranguerer]

Gone by the end of March.  Some year!!! My comment stands - the panel for part of the league is still trial, it has to be cut before championship.

And you'll find I said with certainty from the start that Clerkins age was wrong. No, I didnt care that you'd potentially missed a birthday, I was pulling you up on putting up false information. You asked me who was wrong, I said Clerkin with certainty, and I thought Finlay and Corey also. Given that you'd definitely winged it with one, it was probable you'd winged it with the others. You didnt ask me their ages, but knowing the way birthdays work, I thought you should have been able to add 1 to each of them on your own.

Whats certain is Eamon wont get the same stint out of them Banty did, but you'll judge him in a much harsher light nonetheless.

[Maguire01]

Gone by the end of March.  Some year!!! My comment stands - the panel for part of the league is still trial, it has to be cut before championship.

So you've moved from trial games not counting to the league itself being nothing more than a series of trial games (and therefore not counting either)! Brilliant!

Merely playing for your county in the National League means you haven't been on the panel that season? Priceless. So if a player has only ever played league football for their county, they have never actually been on the panel?

I'd say you're on your own with that definition. I'd imagine most people would count that as being on the squad for that year. But i can understand why you don't want to backttrack at this stage (or just admit you were wrong), so any technicality (however flawed or invented) will do. So to keep you happy, despite playing for competitive league and/or championship football for each of the past 11 seasons, 2010 definitely wasn't his 11th season. 

[Maguire01]

And you'll find I said with certainty from the start that Clerkins age was wrong. No, I didnt care that you'd potentially missed a birthday, I was pulling you up on putting up false information. You asked me who was wrong, I said Clerkin with certainty, and I thought Finlay and Corey also. Given that you'd definitely winged it with one, it was probable you'd winged it with the others.

I "winged it"? I gave you my source - I didn't make anything up. You have yet to confirm i'm wrong on any of them, but if you do, i'll happily admit I was wrong.

Regarding Finlay, this year's programme for the Tyrone league game had him as 26, so if that's right and he's 28 a mere 7 months later, he's maturing fast. And that is consistent with match programmes v Cork (April 09) and v Derry (May 09), both of which have Finlay and Corey as 25 at that time. Unless all of those programmes are wrong, neither of these players can be 28 before May 2011.

You didnt ask me their ages, but knowing the way birthdays work, I thought you should have been able to add 1 to each of them on your own.

I would have added 1 if you had told me I was 1 year out. You didn't.

[haranguerer]

I definitely wouldnt be on my own with that definition. How could you define someone who got a bit of game time early in the league, and was then cut from the panel in March, as being on the panel for the year??! Thats ridiculous.

And as for '...You have yet to confirm I'm wrong on any of them...':

Well, I can confirm you're wrong on at least one of them. Awaiting your happy admission 

[Maguire01]

And as for '...You have yet to confirm I'm wrong on any of them...':

Well, I can confirm you're wrong on at least one of them. Awaiting your happy admission 

You haven't confirmed anything - that's still just your claim.

[Maguire01]

I definitely wouldnt be on my own with that definition. How could you define someone who got a bit of game time early in the league, and was then cut from the panel in March, as being on the panel for the year??! Thats ridiculous.

Well at least you've conceded that he was on the panel in 2003. Which is a long was from your claim two days ago that "he wasn't on the panel".

And I don't believe I ever said he was on the panel "for the year". What I actually said was: Clerkin has just had his best year in his eleventh year. I suspect you thought he hadn't been around that long and are looking for any tenuous excuse to try and save face.