Hurling Draw

[Zulu]

Why shouldn't teams get relegated? One of the biggest problems we have in GAA fixturing is the delusions of grandure that many counties have, they'd rather get beaten in the AI competition than win a lower tiered competition. This idea that relegating a team will 'weaken' hurling is nonsense, if your not good enough to compete with the likes of Tipp, Limerick, Galway or Clare then you have no place in the AI in the first place. This is true of football too but to a lesser degree, there is nothing wrong with having 2 or 3 tiers in hurling and if counties want to improve it is best done through underage structures and not by taking 1 or 2 hammerings a year. The mess we find ourselves in this year is because the GAA is trying to be all things to all men and all that means is you end up pleasing no one.

[awfulynice]

Why shouldn't teams get relegated? One of the biggest problems we have in GAA fixturing is the delusions of grandure that many counties have, they'd rather get beaten in the AI competition than win a lower tiered competition. This idea that relegating a team will 'weaken' hurling is nonsense, if your not good enough to compete with the likes of Tipp, Limerick, Galway or Clare then you have no place in the AI in the first place. This is true of football too but to a lesser degree, there is nothing wrong with having 2 or 3 tiers in hurling and if counties want to improve it is best done through underage structures and not by taking 1 or 2 hammerings a year. The mess we find ourselves in this year is because the GAA is trying to be all things to all men and all that means is you end up pleasing no one.

I dont think anyone would disagree with teams being relegated, IF it is proven they cant compete with Tipp, Limerick, Galway & Clare.

This contreversy has been sparked by the GAA promising Antrim a free ride in leinster for 3 years.

But since you point it out, one of the teams that could be relegated is Clare who were a few points away from Tipp.....ergo they can compete and shouldnt be relegated. Wexford were a few points away from Limerick, ergo they shouldnt be relegated, which leaves offaly and Antrim, Offaly thrashed Limerick last year so youre argument doesnt hold water that they dont compete.

I think there should be relegation yes. If it is this year so be it, but i think it will be harsh when Antrim (chances are) get relegated after only been given a chance at competitive hurling this year.

I think the argument a lot of people against relegation were stating is that by keeping Antrim and adding carlow to the championship for next year you will have 4 leinster qtr finals, so the format will be easier to use. Also it would solve the current argument with Antrim

[EddieMerx]

Why shouldn't teams get relegated? One of the biggest problems we have in GAA fixturing is the delusions of grandure that many counties have, they'd rather get beaten in the AI competition than win a lower tiered competition. This idea that relegating a team will 'weaken' hurling is nonsense, if your not good enough to compete with the likes of Tipp, Limerick, Galway or Clare then you have no place in the AI in the first place. This is true of football too but to a lesser degree, there is nothing wrong with having 2 or 3 tiers in hurling and if counties want to improve it is best done through underage structures and not by taking 1 or 2 hammerings a year. The mess we find ourselves in this year is because the GAA is trying to be all things to all men and all that means is you end up pleasing no one.

But Clare could be relegated or are you suggesting that Wexford have no hope of beating them? I think it is very much 50/50 between Wexford and Clare

[awfulynice]

Why shouldn't teams get relegated? One of the biggest problems we have in GAA fixturing is the delusions of grandure that many counties have, they'd rather get beaten in the AI competition than win a lower tiered competition. This idea that relegating a team will 'weaken' hurling is nonsense, if your not good enough to compete with the likes of Tipp, Limerick, Galway or Clare then you have no place in the AI in the first place. This is true of football too but to a lesser degree, there is nothing wrong with having 2 or 3 tiers in hurling and if counties want to improve it is best done through underage structures and not by taking 1 or 2 hammerings a year. The mess we find ourselves in this year is because the GAA is trying to be all things to all men and all that means is you end up pleasing no one.

But Clare could be relegated or are you suggesting that Wexford have no hope of beating them? I think it is very much 50/50 between Wexford and Clare

It certainly is a 50/50 battle. It would be a very tough one to call, a lot would depend on whether Stephen Banville is fit or not. If he is fit i think it could swing wexfords way