Whats it take to get convicted of Murder in this country

magickingdom · May 28, 2009, 08:21:52 PM

he raped a 14 year old, got her pregnant, killed her, put her body in a sleeping bag and got his daughter to help him dump her in a river and doesnt get murder but manslaughter

I havent followed it closely as i didnt want to get sick reading it but Ronald McManus got convicted of manslaughter yesterday. go figure that out

as for the thing that raped the 86 year old apparently he also raped the 13 year old in the infamous 'c' case a few years back and was out of jail. go figure

the legal system in this country is more focked up than the economy

The Watcher Pat · May 28, 2009, 08:28:55 PM

The legal system on both sides of the border are a joke...

Just watch what happens to that scum from Coleraine...They may have charged a few but lets wait and see how many get convicted.

Ronald McManus should have his swingers chopped off...

I tell you if i were a judge the crime rate would be a lot lower!!

Pangurban · May 28, 2009, 08:32:19 PM

A very good serious question, deserving of a serious answer, but i doubt if there is anyone in the country who could provide it. Justice in this country is a commodity which is becoming rarer every day

Donnellys Hollow · May 28, 2009, 09:06:06 PM

The law is an ass, as they say

Bogball XV · May 28, 2009, 09:20:44 PM

was it a case of there being no actual evidence, so they thought a jury might convict him of manslaughter, but not murder?? It's baffling to be honest.

Tony Baloney · May 28, 2009, 09:24:47 PM

Quote from: Bogball XV on May 28, 2009, 09:20:44 PM
was it a case of there being no actual evidence, so they thought a jury might convict him of manslaughter, but not murder?? It's baffling to be honest.

I don't know much about the case but did he get manslaughter through diminished responsibilty (or what ever the 26 equivalent is) as I remember reading something about him believing the end was nigh and he was some sort of apocalyptic warrior

Gnevin · May 28, 2009, 09:50:33 PM

Quote from: magickingdom on May 28, 2009, 08:21:52 PM
he raped a 14 year old, got her pregnant, killed her, put her body in a sleeping bag and got his daughter to help him dump her in a river and doesnt get murder but manslaughter I havent followed it closely as i didnt want to get sick reading it but Ronald McManus got convicted of manslaughter yesterday. go figure that out

as for the thing that raped the 86 year old apparently he also raped the 13 year old in the infamous 'c' case a few years back and was out of jail. go figure

the legal system in this country is more focked up than the economy

Didn't the daughter testimony conflict? And their was no evidence of premeditation. I don't support it but responsible doubt would seem to be proven

pintsofguinness · May 28, 2009, 10:00:02 PM

Quote from: Gnevin on May 28, 2009, 09:50:33 PM
Quote from: magickingdom on May 28, 2009, 08:21:52 PM
he raped a 14 year old, got her pregnant, killed her, put her body in a sleeping bag and got his daughter to help him dump her in a river and doesnt get murder but manslaughter I havent followed it closely as i didnt want to get sick reading it but Ronald McManus got convicted of manslaughter yesterday. go figure that out

as for the thing that raped the 86 year old apparently he also raped the 13 year old in the infamous 'c' case a few years back and was out of jail. go figure

the legal system in this country is more focked up than the economy
Didn't the daughter testimony conflict? And their was no evidence of premeditation. I don't support it but responsible doubt would seem to be proven

If there was reasonable doubt surely he should have got off?

THere was no evidence of premeditation, so that's alright then?

mylestheslasher · May 28, 2009, 10:09:14 PM

Unfortunately it is very difficult to provide evidence or intent to kill beyond reasonable doubt. That means that you have to prove that when he went to strangle the poor girl he intended to kill her and they have to be certain beyond reasonable doubt. What happens after the act does not contribute to these facts. Thats the way it is at the moment. 90% of murder trials are settled as mansluaghter

Rav67 · May 28, 2009, 10:18:42 PM

Quote from: mylestheslasher on May 28, 2009, 10:09:14 PM
Unfortunately it is very difficult to provide evidence or intent to kill beyond reasonable doubt. That means that you have to prove that when he went to strangle the poor girl he intended to kill her and they have to be certain beyond reasonable doubt. What happens after the act does not contribute to these facts. Thats the way it is at the moment. 90% of murder trials are settled as mansluaghter

In the North you have to prove he intended to kill or cause GBH to meet the intent part of the crime of murder. Are you sure its not the same in the South??

Gnevin · May 29, 2009, 12:00:08 AM

Quote from: pintsofguinness on May 28, 2009, 10:00:02 PM
Quote from: Gnevin on May 28, 2009, 09:50:33 PM
Quote from: magickingdom on May 28, 2009, 08:21:52 PM
he raped a 14 year old, got her pregnant, killed her, put her body in a sleeping bag and got his daughter to help him dump her in a river and doesnt get murder but manslaughter I havent followed it closely as i didnt want to get sick reading it but Ronald McManus got convicted of manslaughter yesterday. go figure that out

as for the thing that raped the 86 year old apparently he also raped the 13 year old in the infamous 'c' case a few years back and was out of jail. go figure

the legal system in this country is more focked up than the economy
Didn't the daughter testimony conflict? And their was no evidence of premeditation. I don't support it but responsible doubt would seem to be proven
If there was reasonable doubt surely he should have got off?

THere was no evidence of premeditation, so that's alright then?

No there was a reasonable doubt of premeditation and hence the manslaughter conviction. Now I'm open to correct here but that is my understanding .

orangeman · May 29, 2009, 12:15:17 AM

Was it not to do with forensics and the significant decomposition that had taken place ? I'm hearing talk of an appeal ! How galling.