Cryogenics

Started by Oghams Law, November 18, 2016, 02:30:05 PM

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omaghjoe

Its pretty obvious that the OPs question would leave us with more questions than answers. The most interesting question that could be answered if this was achieved (but its still miles from it) is about memory.....

If the person could remember something from their "previous life" after having zero brain activity for that length of time, then would this mean that memory ultimately is not a function of the brain? Most neurologists these days reckon there is a degree of brain functionality to memory but of course like most things in our consious experience they cant really pin it down as to where its stored and how we can reacess it.

This is not unlike Molyneaux's problem.... which was actually solved in recent years

For a change I think I will side with the empiricists on this one, I would put my money on the person being a blank slate and thus having no memory or knowledge of their previous identity.

muppet

Quote from: omaghjoe on November 22, 2016, 06:05:09 AM
Its pretty obvious that the OPs question would leave us with more questions than answers. The most interesting question that could be answered if this was achieved (but its still miles from it) is about memory.....

If the person could remember something from their "previous life" after having zero brain activity for that length of time, then would this mean that memory ultimately is not a function of the brain? Most neurologists these days reckon there is a degree of brain functionality to memory but of course like most things in our consious experience they cant really pin it down as to where its stored and how we can reacess it.

This is not unlike Molyneaux's problem.... which was actually solved in recent years

For a change I think I will side with the empiricists on this one, I would put my money on the person being a blank slate and thus having no memory or knowledge of their previous identity.

This is an interesting question and the straight answer is I haven't a clue.

Do people who are in a coma have brain activity? Or who drown, apparently die and are then revived? Do they temporarily lose brain activity and then have it somehow restored? If the latter happens is there a rough time limit, after which memory loss is permanent?
MWWSI 2017

seafoid

Quote from: muppet on November 22, 2016, 11:31:05 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on November 22, 2016, 06:05:09 AM
Its pretty obvious that the OPs question would leave us with more questions than answers. The most interesting question that could be answered if this was achieved (but its still miles from it) is about memory.....

If the person could remember something from their "previous life" after having zero brain activity for that length of time, then would this mean that memory ultimately is not a function of the brain? Most neurologists these days reckon there is a degree of brain functionality to memory but of course like most things in our consious experience they cant really pin it down as to where its stored and how we can reacess it.

This is not unlike Molyneaux's problem.... which was actually solved in recent years

For a change I think I will side with the empiricists on this one, I would put my money on the person being a blank slate and thus having no memory or knowledge of their previous identity.

This is an interesting question and the straight answer is I haven't a clue.

Do people who are in a coma have brain activity? Or who drown, apparently die and are then revived? Do they temporarily lose brain activity and then have it somehow restored? If the latter happens is there a rough time limit, after which memory loss is permanent?
Schumi will never be the same person according to some doctor who was quoted in the paper. The brain is fragile. Nobody knows how it really works either. We don't know how to stop Alzheimers for example.

Cryogenics is very American.

omaghjoe

Course Schumacher is brain damaged which is a different thing entirely. That would mean if recovery occurred parts of the brain would not be functioning properly thereby the person would not appear to be the same as before.

People in comas retain brain activity at a lower intensity and lower frequency than someone conscious, sleeping or unconscious so its completely different to someone having no activity.

FFS, to complicate matters its also seems brain dead doesn't always mean zero brain activity in all jurisdictions. And lots of people have recovered from being declared brain dead, however it seems no one has recovered from completely zero brain activity.

However interestingly neurologists can make you experience things by stimulating your brain a certain way, inception style. Which is sort of messed up or cool depending on how you look at it....new brain manipulating video games where you could actually live in the video game itself, also gives credence to the old brain in a VAT.

seafoid

Quote from: omaghjoe on November 23, 2016, 12:02:32 AM
Course Schumacher is brain damaged which is a different thing entirely. That would mean if recovery occurred parts of the brain would not be functioning properly thereby the person would not appear to be the same as before.

People in comas retain brain activity at a lower intensity and lower frequency than someone conscious, sleeping or unconscious so its completely different to someone having no activity.

FFS, to complicate matters its also seems brain dead doesn't always mean zero brain activity in all jurisdictions. And lots of people have recovered from being declared brain dead, however it seems no one has recovered from completely zero brain activity.

However interestingly neurologists can make you experience things by stimulating your brain a certain way, inception style. Which is sort of messed up or cool depending on how you look at it....new brain manipulating video games where you could actually live in the video game itself, also gives credence to the old brain in a VAT.
Death means no oxygen gets to the brain.
So it's probably worse than brain trauma....

No wides

Quote from: omaghjoe on November 23, 2016, 12:02:32 AM
Course Schumacher is brain damaged which is a different thing entirely. That would mean if recovery occurred parts of the brain would not be functioning properly thereby the person would not appear to be the same as before.

People in comas retain brain activity at a lower intensity and lower frequency than someone conscious, sleeping or unconscious so its completely different to someone having no activity.

FFS, to complicate matters its also seems brain dead doesn't always mean zero brain activity in all jurisdictions. And lots of people have recovered from being declared brain dead, however it seems no one has recovered from completely zero brain activity.

However interestingly neurologists can make you experience things by stimulating your brain a certain way, inception style. Which is sort of messed up or cool depending on how you look at it....new brain manipulating video games where you could actually live in the video game itself, also gives credence to the old brain in a VAT.

What about Jesus or Lazarus?

stew

Quote from: No wides on November 23, 2016, 11:22:40 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on November 23, 2016, 12:02:32 AM
Course Schumacher is brain damaged which is a different thing entirely. That would mean if recovery occurred parts of the brain would not be functioning properly thereby the person would not appear to be the same as before.

People in comas retain brain activity at a lower intensity and lower frequency than someone conscious, sleeping or unconscious so its completely different to someone having no activity.

FFS, to complicate matters its also seems brain dead doesn't always mean zero brain activity in all jurisdictions. And lots of people have recovered from being declared brain dead, however it seems no one has recovered from completely zero brain activity.

However interestingly neurologists can make you experience things by stimulating your brain a certain way, inception style. Which is sort of messed up or cool depending on how you look at it....new brain manipulating video games where you could actually live in the video game itself, also gives credence to the old brain in a VAT.

What about Jesus or Lazarus?

Jesus is God so...........................
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