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Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
« Reply #75 on: May 20, 2019, 09:52:05 AM »
Very easy win for Cavan. That was probably the worst display from Monaghan since 10 years, they played as if there was a total absence of coached preparation. Cavan had they played with more confidence in the 2nd half would have won by a country mile.

Monaghan did look a bit shell shocked. Was there some mix up with the travel arrangements or something? Think team bus was late in to Breffni and in a mad panic.

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Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
« Reply #76 on: May 20, 2019, 10:11:50 AM »
No more than ourselves when Cavan were kingpins the population was up around 90,000.
The creation of Northern Ireland made Cavan. It was a  shock to GAA people in the 6 counties and took them 50 years to get over it .
Cavan won 5 all Irelands because it was so easy to get out of Ulster. They could build teams easily because there was no predator. They developed some fabulous talent.
 Down won an all Ireland and that was effectively the end of Cavan's great run
The creation of NI destroyed Cavan. Cavan traditionally was a thriving population centre and was serviced by numerous rail networks and by the standards of the time would have had a decent and well serviced economy. With the split Cavan was now on the periphery of the state. As with the rest of the border counties there was no government investment of any sort and in fact all the railway lines were ripped up. Today the 3 counties of Ulster are the only counties in Ireland with no rail infrastructure. The neglect of the border region allowed the counties to become backwaters with little futures for the youth. Population decline was inevitable.     


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Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
« Reply #78 on: May 20, 2019, 06:50:58 PM »
Very easy win for Cavan. That was probably the worst display from Monaghan since 10 years, they played as if there was a total absence of coached preparation. Cavan had they played with more confidence in the 2nd half would have won by a country mile.

Thought your recents defeats to Div 3 opposition was far worse TBH

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Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
« Reply #79 on: May 20, 2019, 07:07:14 PM »
No more than ourselves when Cavan were kingpins the population was up around 90,000.
The creation of Northern Ireland made Cavan. It was a  shock to GAA people in the 6 counties and took them 50 years to get over it .
Cavan won 5 all Irelands because it was so easy to get out of Ulster. They could build teams easily because there was no predator. They developed some fabulous talent.
 Down won an all Ireland and that was effectively the end of Cavan's great run
The creation of NI destroyed Cavan. Cavan traditionally was a thriving population centre and was serviced by numerous rail networks and by the standards of the time would have had a decent and well serviced economy. With the split Cavan was now on the periphery of the state. As with the rest of the border counties there was no government investment of any sort and in fact all the railway lines were ripped up. Today the 3 counties of Ulster are the only counties in Ireland with no rail infrastructure. The neglect of the border region allowed the counties to become backwaters with little futures for the youth. Population decline was inevitable.   

Population declone in west Cavan for sure but a lot of commuters from Cavan town - Virginia and all along to Dublin.

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Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
« Reply #80 on: May 20, 2019, 07:45:35 PM »
Very easy win for Cavan. That was probably the worst display from Monaghan since 10 years, they played as if there was a total absence of coached preparation. Cavan had they played with more confidence in the 2nd half would have won by a country mile.

Thought your recents defeats to Div 3 opposition was far worse TBH
There's a difference between a defeat and the performance.
The defeat to Down in 2017 was similar to this one, however the tables were turned easy enough later on at Croke Park in the 4th round of the qualifiers.
Losing to the Larries on tour? one might think that no self respecting team could show their face after losing at home to that shower, but that game happened right after 2 hard games against Donegal.
It's no shock or surprise to lose to a team like Cavan on their home ground, it's just from a Monaghan perspective the performance and tactics were very poor, well below standard.


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Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
« Reply #81 on: May 20, 2019, 08:04:41 PM »
Very easy win for Cavan. That was probably the worst display from Monaghan since 10 years, they played as if there was a total absence of coached preparation. Cavan had they played with more confidence in the 2nd half would have won by a country mile.

Thought your recents defeats to Div 3 opposition was far worse TBH
There's a difference between a defeat and the performance.
The defeat to Down in 2017 was similar to this one, however the tables were turned easy enough later on at Croke Park in the 4th round of the qualifiers.
Losing to the Larries on tour? one might think that no self respecting team could show their face after losing at home to that shower, but that game happened right after 2 hard games against Donegal.
It's no shock or surprise to lose to a team like Cavan on their home ground, it's just from a Monaghan perspective the performance and tactics were very poor, well below standard.

Fermangh last year? even before the late goal i thought Monaghan's performance was well off their standard.

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Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
« Reply #82 on: May 20, 2019, 08:28:46 PM »
So many burdens of bad defeats to carry and yet Monaghan's spirit is indomitable.

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Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
« Reply #83 on: May 20, 2019, 09:48:20 PM »
So many burdens of bad defeats to carry and yet Monaghan's spirit is indomitable.
Yeah you'd have to wonder... for example a good team should be able to handle teams like Longford or Fermanagh in 3rd gear.
The inconsistency points to a team that is able to get psyched up to operate above their level against the big guns.

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Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
« Reply #84 on: May 20, 2019, 09:50:16 PM »
This was a good game. People raving about Armagh and down. IMO this was much better. Some great points taken and some serious passing by Reilly.

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Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
« Reply #85 on: May 20, 2019, 10:04:29 PM »
So many burdens of bad defeats to carry and yet Monaghan's spirit is indomitable.
Yeah you'd have to wonder... for example a good team should be able to handle teams like Longford or Fermanagh in 3rd gear.
The inconsistency points to a team that is able to get psyched up to operate above their level against the big guns.
You can wonder OJ, but who gives a shít.

 

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Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
« Reply #86 on: May 20, 2019, 10:56:47 PM »
So many burdens of bad defeats to carry and yet Monaghan's spirit is indomitable.
Yeah you'd have to wonder... for example a good team should be able to handle teams like Longford or Fermanagh in 3rd gear.
The inconsistency points to a team that is able to get psyched up to operate above their level against the big guns.
You can wonder OJ, but who gives a shít.
No need to be so nasty, esp when I was in agreement with you

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Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
« Reply #87 on: May 21, 2019, 12:24:09 AM »
So many burdens of bad defeats to carry and yet Monaghan's spirit is indomitable.
Yeah you'd have to wonder... for example a good team should be able to handle teams like Longford or Fermanagh in 3rd gear.
The inconsistency points to a team that is able to get psyched up to operate above their level against the big guns.
You can wonder OJ, but who gives a shít.
No need to be so nasty, esp when I was in agreement with you

He's a wee bit soar yet, leave him be. They might get 4 div 4 teams in the qualifiers this year too and make it to the super 8s yet.

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Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
« Reply #88 on: May 21, 2019, 01:44:03 AM »
So many burdens of bad defeats to carry and yet Monaghan's spirit is indomitable.
Yeah you'd have to wonder... for example a good team should be able to handle teams like Longford or Fermanagh in 3rd gear.
The inconsistency points to a team that is able to get psyched up to operate above their level against the big guns.
You can wonder OJ, but who gives a shít.
No need to be so nasty, esp when I was in agreement with you
You have a peculiar way of agreeing with me with that pseudo nonsense.



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Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
« Reply #89 on: May 21, 2019, 04:54:13 AM »
So many burdens of bad defeats to carry and yet Monaghan's spirit is indomitable.
Yeah you'd have to wonder... for example a good team should be able to handle teams like Longford or Fermanagh in 3rd gear.
The inconsistency points to a team that is able to get psyched up to operate above their level against the big guns.
You can wonder OJ, but who gives a shít.
No need to be so nasty, esp when I was in agreement with you
You have a peculiar way of agreeing with me with that pseudo nonsense.
I was just developing your point, i thought you may have had some further insight into it that may assist your team inconsistency issues.
Sadly it appears the Banty culture of getting riled up for the big boys persists