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clonadmad

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Re: Kilkenny
« Reply #255 on: August 22, 2019, 10:08:03 AM »

09 Tipp could have and should have beaten Kk,in 14 they were millmetres from beating them

In those 3 finals that they have lost ,Tipp have beaten them by a cumulative total of 31 points.

Ten years later, are people still really trying to push this myth?

Have seen a lot of guff proclaiming tipp the team of the decade on Twitter since Sunday. Since "this" Tipp team emerged in '09 they've had, by my count, 8 championship meetings with 2014 counting as one meeting. It's 5-3 to KK with 3 all Irelands each, an almighty drubbing in the 2012 semi for KK included. Kk have also beaten then in four League finals in that period, with Tipp failing to win a single League title. Does anyone who is capable of ignoring recency bias actually think Tipp are the team of the decade?!

It will be up there with the myth soon enough of Hogan not getting sent off and then Kk winning in 19.

The only currency that counts in either county is  all ireland wins

And it now stands at 3 apiece.

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« Reply #256 on: August 22, 2019, 10:12:41 AM »

09 Tipp could have and should have beaten Kk,in 14 they were millmetres from beating them

In those 3 finals that they have lost ,Tipp have beaten them by a cumulative total of 31 points.

Ten years later, are people still really trying to push this myth?

Have seen a lot of guff proclaiming tipp the team of the decade on Twitter since Sunday. Since "this" Tipp team emerged in '09 they've had, by my count, 8 championship meetings with 2014 counting as one meeting. It's 5-3 to KK with 3 all Irelands each, an almighty drubbing in the 2012 semi for KK included. Kk have also beaten then in four League finals in that period, with Tipp failing to win a single League title. Does anyone who is capable of ignoring recency bias actually think Tipp are the team of the decade?!

Kilkenny still lifted 4 AI's in this decade to 3 for Tipp, so it's KK for me even if it was the earlier part of the decade and not as fresh in peoples minds.

Cody has managed KK to 11 AI's, that will need be achieved again, but as someone alluded to he also like Fergie may be outstaying his welcome and like Fergie may have stayed for one last horrah (Fergie managed his) and failed.

The style of hurling has changed, but at times you think Kilkenny are still sticking with the tried and tested, outwork and overpower your opponent, force the errors and punish them on the scoreboard.

Not a lot wrong with that, but when some team competes and betters you in the physicality stakes, nullifies your best players you need something more than putting TJ, Walter and Fennelly under a high ball and hope for the best.
It smacks of lack of trust in the young guns and yes, they're not Henry Shefflins, Eddie Brennans or Eoin Larkins, but at least play ball in that suits their skillset.

I can see Paul Murphy hang up the boots, there's a year or two left in TJ Reid and probably Fennelly. Wally needs to become a leader and failed miserably at that when out caught two or three times by Heffernan and the Mahers in the second half. He failed to stand up.  Buckley is a fine hurler but the long injury spell affected him badly and he should be a more formidable player next year.
Hogan, I'm not so sure about. Yes, terrible way for him to go out but I really can't see Cody (If he goes another year) doing sentiment as you get the impression that Cody doesn't totally buy into him now.

Big Lawlor at fullback is a find all the same and the much maligned Joey Holden had a stormer of a year.
They may have rode their luck to get to an AI final, but Kilkenny will never be too far away.

John Donnelly a great addidition at half forward - probably KK's best player on the day.

Adrian Mullen will probably get YHOTH so plenty of potential with Lawlor at full back.  Conor Browne showed really well in last few matches. Young but the experience will stsnd to him. All in all, a very good year for KK.

Darren Mullen, Adrian's brother, has a good chance at corner back next year.  Hurled really well in Ballyhale's AI run this year.

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« Reply #257 on: August 22, 2019, 12:10:40 PM »
Hard to argue with anything that has been said, its a good debate.

IMO Kilkenny ran out of ideas very quickly, think this probably shows their lack of a squad too. Cody couldnt turn around at HT and change personnel to counter act what they knew would be coming from Tipp with the extra man. So he reverted to type.

Maybe the game has moved on from this type of hurling and KK havent moved with it.

KK extremely lucky to make the final but probably got shown up for where they are currently, slightly short.

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« Reply #258 on: August 22, 2019, 12:26:20 PM »
Hard to argue with anything that has been said, its a good debate.

IMO Kilkenny ran out of ideas very quickly, think this probably shows their lack of a squad too. Cody couldnt turn around at HT and change personnel to counter act what they knew would be coming from Tipp with the extra man. So he reverted to type.

Maybe the game has moved on from this type of hurling and KK havent moved with it.

KK extremely lucky to make the final but probably got shown up for where they are currently, slightly short.

Cody threw on a few speedsters yet the ball from defence was still high and central.

Didn't make much sense.

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« Reply #259 on: August 22, 2019, 02:51:32 PM »
Hard to argue with anything that has been said, its a good debate.

IMO Kilkenny ran out of ideas very quickly, think this probably shows their lack of a squad too. Cody couldnt turn around at HT and change personnel to counter act what they knew would be coming from Tipp with the extra man. So he reverted to type.

Maybe the game has moved on from this type of hurling and KK havent moved with it.

KK extremely lucky to make the final but probably got shown up for where they are currently, slightly short.

Cody threw on a few speedsters yet the ball from defence was still high and central.

Didn't make much sense.

Yeah they needed stick men to keep and hold the ball and work it up the field and create opportunities to get back into the game.

Weren't able to do so, but the long ball in was a tactical nightmare.

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« Reply #260 on: August 22, 2019, 03:04:46 PM »
Part of the problem, I think, stemed from the lack of man-marking Noel Mc Grath.  A man of that ability can't be swanning about the middle third dictating play.  He's an unreal hurler - can pick a pass that no-one else can see.  A bit like a quarter-back in that he always makes things happen for Tipp, where ever he plays.  This year Sheedy gave him that free role around mid-field and he'll be in the running for Player of the Year I'd say.

With thi, KK should have told Browne to never leave his side.  Go everywhere with him and don't worry about the ball.  Just negate his influence on the game.

That's the first match up I'd have made.  All good in hindsight but I'd have thought this was clear last 2 weeks ago.