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the GAA's supercrisis and the 2018 annual Report
« on: February 07, 2019, 08:47:58 AM »
The supercrisis is made up of

1. Dublin
2. Attendances
3. Croke Park and commercialisation
4. The football product
5. the dependence on a few matches to prop up the rest of the organisation

and it is visible in detail in the annual report 
https://www.gaa.ie/news/gaa-ard-stiurthoir-tom-ryan-launches-2018-annual-report/

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gate-receipts-and-attendances-for-football-championship-slid-alarmingly-in-2018-despite-the-introduction-of-the-super-8s-37788169.html

1.  "On the vexed question of Games Development grants, Dublin continue to secure a lion share of the €9.6m paid out directly to counties.
Dublin received €1.3m – an increase on last year's figure of £1.2m. Meath were the next biggest recipients with €367,400 but Cork – which has more registered GAA teams than any other county – received just €249,000."

This money goes on coaches

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"Dubs skill level is much higher than most teams
Kick with both feet, pass off either hand, step off either foot
Plus maximise every advantage going - 3/4 steps extra while bouncing the ball, cutting in front of chasing player while soloing or running, setting screens to get space to shoot.
All highly coachable"

2 "Overall, the average attendances figures at the 39 games in the All-Ireland series – which includes the qualifiers, the Super 8s and the All-Ireland semi-final and final – was 13,225.
In 2017 when there were 33 games played in the football series the average attendance was 19,049."

3."The GAA commercial income increased to €19.6m last year compared to €17.3m in 2017.
The Croke Park stadium generated a surplus of €10.9m in 2018 – they handed over €8m of this to Central Council. This brings the total figure that the stadium has generated for the GAA since 2006 to €108m."

It looks like commercial income is more important these days than the state of football


4.https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/gaa-should-have-restricted-players-to-just-one-handpass-reckons-dr-pat-oneill-900749.html

 “The modern game wants the handpass and those that are making the rules and are responsible for them being implemented have conceded that.
“Being of the old school, I have to think there’s far too much handpassing. This was an opportunity to restrict it and return to what the game  is supposed to be — football. It’s so much like European Handball now.”
As a regular Croke Park matchgoer, O’Neill was alarmed by what he saw last season. “I would go to most of the Championship matches in Croke Park, not just the Dublin games, and I was never as bored as much at a game in my life as I was last summer.
“Some of those games were very pedestrian and they are following a soccer trend when it’s so possession-based.
A different strategy is needed to entertain the public because over the weekend I saw the TV viewing figures from last year and rugby games are higher than the GAA’s. When you think that Gaelic football and hurling are our national games and reflect the wider community, that’s worrying.


5. "While more than 800,000 attended the Central Council's championship games in 2018, six of the largest attendances accounted for over half the figure."
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Re: the GAA's supercrisis and the 2018 annual Report
« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2019, 09:12:11 AM »
The closing stages of the Senior AIs both hurling and football were always used to "prop up the organisation".
As can be seen in the Report most Central Council competitions lose money.
The imbalance in development grants is a disgrace .
The Dublin dominance and orgies of biring throwball combined with prices and more games in a shorter period not helping attendance figures.
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« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2019, 09:19:19 AM »
The closing stages of the Senior AIs both hurling and football were always used to "prop up the organisation".
As can be seen in the Report most Central Council competitions lose money.
The imbalance in development grants is a disgrace .
The Dublin dominance and orgies of biring throwball combined with prices and more games in a shorter period not helping attendance figures.

You need competition for European handball to be attractive.
Even the semifinals are losing fans 
It is all going in the wrong direction
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Re: the GAA's supercrisis and the 2018 annual Report
« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2019, 09:51:58 AM »
When was the last major or majorish  decision the central GAA got right?

These results, and the PuC bills are in the post,  are the inevitible results of this poor leadership. The GAA press are way to soft on them and too many of us just shrug it off.

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« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2019, 10:32:26 AM »
So let's have your suggestions on what they should do.
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« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2019, 10:46:37 AM »
So let's have your suggestions on what they should do.

1. Complete cleanout on Jones Road. Too many chefs, too many committees too many tinkerings to justify their existence. In general, leave it alone

2. Accountability. The people who brought us the puc debacle have been rewarded. The GAA press need to be critical and risk the trough.

3. Stop this anti sport attitude. Dublin and Kilkenny are where they are because of good decisions and graft. Handicapping them is not the approach, pull up your own socks.

4. That said the imbalance in funding is crazy. Back ambition wherever it is.

5. Infrastructure is all over the place. PuC, Casement, Tallaght. Disasters following no pattern.

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Re: the GAA's supercrisis and the 2018 annual Report
« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2019, 11:07:52 AM »
So let's have your suggestions on what they should do.

1. Complete cleanout on Jones Road. Too many chefs, too many committees too many tinkerings to justify their existence. In general, leave it alone

2. Accountability. The people who brought us the puc debacle have been rewarded. The GAA press need to be critical and risk the trough.

3. Stop this anti sport attitude. Dublin and Kilkenny are where they are because of good decisions and graft. Handicapping them is not the approach, pull up your own socks.

4. That said the imbalance in funding is crazy. Back ambition wherever it is.

5. Infrastructure is all over the place. PuC, Casement, Tallaght. Disasters following no pattern.

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I think the Dubs are a different kettle of fish to KK
The GAA didn't decide to fund KK systematically to the detriment of everyone else

The Dubs were a bit of joke between 1996 and 2008 say

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/fault-lines-appear-for-kerry-in-a-kingdom-under-pressure-1.3769567

 "Dublin’s transformation from 1970s nostalgia act to unprecedented juggernaut has forced Kerry football people – all Kerry people, in other words – to think differently about themselves. The old certainties have been stripped away with bewildering haste."

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Re: the GAA's supercrisis and the 2018 annual Report
« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2019, 11:17:22 AM »
See point 4.

But at least it was a plan. Do you think the current blazers have a vision?

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Re: the GAA's supercrisis and the 2018 annual Report
« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2019, 11:20:20 AM »
See point 4.

But at least it was a plan. Do you think the current blazers have a vision?
3 and 4 are contradictory


I think the blazers are useless

J. K. Galbraith:“The conventional wisdom”gives way not so much to new ideas as to “the massive onslaught of circumstances with which it cannot contend”.

I would class 6 or 7 in a row by the Dubs as “the massive onslaught of circumstances with which it cannot contend”.
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« Reply #9 on: February 07, 2019, 11:25:35 AM »
See point 4.

But at least it was a plan. Do you think the current blazers have a vision?
3 and 4 are contradictory


I think the blazers are useless

J. K. Galbraith:“The conventional wisdom”gives way not so much to new ideas as to “the massive onslaught of circumstances with which it cannot contend”.

I would class 6 or 7 in a row by the Dubs as “the massive onslaught of circumstances with which it cannot contend”.

How so? Funding goes to the best ideas with the best chance of success. If a county happens to be better organised than yours, stop whining and become organised.

It is fundamentally not the role of sports administarors to try and influence on the pitch results. Thats the anti sport attitude I referred to.

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Re: the GAA's supercrisis and the 2018 annual Report
« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2019, 11:30:09 AM »
See point 4.

But at least it was a plan. Do you think the current blazers have a vision?
3 and 4 are contradictory


I think the blazers are useless

J. K. Galbraith:“The conventional wisdom”gives way not so much to new ideas as to “the massive onslaught of circumstances with which it cannot contend”.

I would class 6 or 7 in a row by the Dubs as “the massive onslaught of circumstances with which it cannot contend”.

How so? Funding goes to the best ideas with the best chance of success. If a county happens to be better organised than yours, stop whining and become organised.

It is fundamentally not the role of sports administarors to try and influence on the pitch results. Thats the anti sport attitude I referred to.

It is not the job of the administrators to fund the Dubs
That makes a mockery of competition
It means people may prefer to watch rugby

If there is a group desperately needs funding to bring them up to scratch it is the ulster hurling counties
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« Reply #11 on: February 07, 2019, 11:35:38 AM »
For right or wrong that decision was taken. There are clubs prospering in areas that had never heard of gaelic games, although this has created other problems.

But at least it was a plan. It went to far, but the idea was sound, articulated and debated. A vision, executed with mixed results.

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« Reply #12 on: February 07, 2019, 12:00:19 PM »
For right or wrong that decision was taken. There are clubs prospering in areas that had never heard of gaelic games, although this has created other problems.

But at least it was a plan. It went to far, but the idea was sound, articulated and debated. A vision, executed with mixed results.

Maybe they did need to tweak the football
but they ended up breaking it and now attendances are suffering
It is not ideal, Marty.

You stretched for the stars and you know how it feels
to reach too high,  too far,  too soon

They need to rewind it back and have a good think about what the point of the organisation is
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« Reply #13 on: February 07, 2019, 12:27:37 PM »
For right or wrong that decision was taken. There are clubs prospering in areas that had never heard of gaelic games, although this has created other problems.

But at least it was a plan. It went to far, but the idea was sound, articulated and debated. A vision, executed with mixed results.

Maybe they did need to tweak the football
but they ended up breaking it and now attendances are suffering
It is not ideal, Marty.

You stretched for the stars and you know how it feels
to reach too high,  too far,  too soon

They need to rewind it back and have a good think about what the point of the organisation is

These things are all cycles! Dublin will fade away once this golden generation fade away. You just have to have the Patience to wait! The reality is the chasing bunch need to get their house in order.

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Re: the GAA's supercrisis and the 2018 annual Report
« Reply #14 on: February 07, 2019, 12:48:34 PM »
See point 4.

But at least it was a plan. Do you think the current blazers have a vision?
3 and 4 are contradictory


I think the blazers are useless

J. K. Galbraith:“The conventional wisdom”gives way not so much to new ideas as to “the massive onslaught of circumstances with which it cannot contend”.

I would class 6 or 7 in a row by the Dubs as “the massive onslaught of circumstances with which it cannot contend”.

How so? Funding goes to the best ideas with the best chance of success. If a county happens to be better organised than yours, stop whining and become organised.

It is fundamentally not the role of sports administarors to try and influence on the pitch results. Thats the anti sport attitude I referred to.
That's laughable

School in Dublin gets hours with a full time coach every week
A school in e.g. longford gets 6 weeks of coaching per YEAR, probably 60mins per school and probably only with the junior classrooms

Same organisation, different funding grants from HQ