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Re: Antrim, the way forward
« Reply #540 on: August 23, 2018, 09:47:04 AM »
If someone is serious about reopening casement with limited opening terrace sections then it needs a full survey, health and safety review, clean and, which is the longest part, a brand new pitch laid, grew and maintained. a Quick once over with the mower isn't going to do it.

Feasibility isn't the word here - Antrim board realise its cheaper to have casement closed and use clubs grounds than it is to maintain and insure a stadium the size of casement.

Like it or loathe it, they'd be better picking a club ground to put money into to get up to a realistic capacity (it would be clubs responsibility to look after it), or put their money into a stand at Dunsilly. Poor attendances at antrim's poor county products means poor revenues




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« Reply #541 on: August 23, 2018, 11:32:17 AM »
If someone is serious about reopening casement with limited opening terrace sections then it needs a full survey, health and safety review, clean and, which is the longest part, a brand new pitch laid, grew and maintained. a Quick once over with the mower isn't going to do it.

Feasibility isn't the word here - Antrim board realise its cheaper to have casement closed and use clubs grounds than it is to maintain and insure a stadium the size of casement.

Like it or loathe it, they'd be better picking a club ground to put money into to get up to a realistic capacity (it would be clubs responsibility to look after it), or put their money into a stand at Dunsilly. Poor attendances at antrim's poor county products means poor revenues

Agree, Tir Na og or Creggan. Central venue. Even St Endas.

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« Reply #542 on: August 23, 2018, 11:46:55 AM »
The only issue with Casement was the stand.

The Belfast City Council would not award a safety certificate unless the electrics in the stand were rewired.

The cost to complete the job was 10,000.

The Antrim County Board decided not to proceed at that time as the new stadium funds were in place and the safety certificate was not issued. 

In hindsight this was a bad move but the Ulster Council has ran roughshod over the entire project and made a complete hames of everything.

Their incompetence has left Antrim without a county ground. The idea of a 38,000 all seater stadium in West Belfast is a complete joke.

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« Reply #543 on: August 23, 2018, 11:48:07 AM »
If someone is serious about reopening casement with limited opening terrace sections then it needs a full survey, health and safety review, clean and, which is the longest part, a brand new pitch laid, grew and maintained. a Quick once over with the mower isn't going to do it.

Feasibility isn't the word here - Antrim board realise its cheaper to have casement closed and use clubs grounds than it is to maintain and insure a stadium the size of casement.

Like it or loathe it, they'd be better picking a club ground to put money into to get up to a realistic capacity (it would be clubs responsibility to look after it), or put their money into a stand at Dunsilly. Poor attendances at antrim's poor county products means poor revenues

Agree, Tir Na og or Creggan. Central venue. Even St Endas.

Why not two? one up the Glens for the hurlers and one in Belfast/SW for the footballing crowd?
Anything I post is not the view of the County Board!! Nobody died in the making of this post ;-)

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« Reply #544 on: August 23, 2018, 11:56:47 AM »
The county have some land at Ballygrooby that was purchased prior to the Dunsilly project. It wasn't deemed to be large enough to accommodate a training facility which is why they went for Dunsilly when that land became available.

Not 100% sure if they sold Ballygrooby to channel the funds towards the development of Dunsilly.

If they still have that land, it would make sense to develop it into a second county ground with stand and covered terracing, something similar to the main pitch at Owenbeg.

However finances will dictate any future development and the Antrim Board are not in the best of financial health.

The Club Aontroim project quickly descended into a farce, mismanaged and improperly run.

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« Reply #545 on: August 23, 2018, 12:02:20 PM »
The only issue with Casement was the stand.

The Belfast City Council would not award a safety certificate unless the electrics in the stand were rewired.

The cost to complete the job was 10,000.

The Antrim County Board decided not to proceed at that time as the new stadium funds were in place and the safety certificate was not issued. 

In hindsight this was a bad move but the Ulster Council has ran roughshod over the entire project and made a complete hames of everything.

Their incompetence has left Antrim without a county ground. The idea of a 38,000 all seater stadium in West Belfast is a complete joke.

Look about 40 odd years ago they said having a two lane motorway running from Mid Ulster to Belfast was too much, would never get used and at the time no one had the amount of cars available to actually make it look busy.. fast forward 40 years and we'd need a 4 lane motorway for getting out of Belfast and flyover at Yorkgate and the westlink re designed..

Just because at the the minute a 38,000 seater stadium may seem too much I'd say they'd have it well used for lots of events to cover the use of it over the years.. concerts like last few weeks that were held in the Falls park could be facilitated in Casement, bringing more than the 10,000 odd that went to those concerts.. chartity soccer games  ;)  Hosting rugby world cup games or All Ireland quarter finals.... how many times a year will PUC be used?

I give up, I head to my mums on a Sunday and drive past it wondering will I ever get to step back inside the place, I've given up hope of refereeing in the place again, and I remember my last game managing their and playing there, never thinking that I wouldn't get the chance to get back out on the sod again..

I've some lovely personal memories of Casement, as a supporter watching our seniors pull off some cracking wins. would be a shame if I never got any more memories of Casement.

as for the size, 38,000 seater or 28,000 seater, just get the fecking thing built
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« Reply #546 on: August 23, 2018, 12:05:32 PM »
And we're still waiting on the dual carriageway / motorway from Mid Ulster to Belfast  :(

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« Reply #547 on: August 23, 2018, 12:13:36 PM »
Did the County Board hand over Casement to the Ulster Council as Declan Bogue stated in the interview??

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« Reply #548 on: August 23, 2018, 12:14:17 PM »
If someone is serious about reopening casement with limited opening terrace sections then it needs a full survey, health and safety review, clean and, which is the longest part, a brand new pitch laid, grew and maintained. a Quick once over with the mower isn't going to do it.

Feasibility isn't the word here - Antrim board realise its cheaper to have casement closed and use clubs grounds than it is to maintain and insure a stadium the size of casement.

Like it or loathe it, they'd be better picking a club ground to put money into to get up to a realistic capacity (it would be clubs responsibility to look after it), or put their money into a stand at Dunsilly. Poor attendances at antrim's poor county products means poor revenues

Agree, Tir Na og or Creggan. Central venue. Even St Endas.

Why not two? one up the Glens for the hurlers and one in Belfast/SW for the footballing crowd?

If 2 suits then 2 it is.

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« Reply #549 on: August 23, 2018, 12:37:11 PM »
If someone is serious about reopening casement with limited opening terrace sections then it needs a full survey, health and safety review, clean and, which is the longest part, a brand new pitch laid, grew and maintained. a Quick once over with the mower isn't going to do it.

Feasibility isn't the word here - Antrim board realise its cheaper to have casement closed and use clubs grounds than it is to maintain and insure a stadium the size of casement.

Like it or loathe it, they'd be better picking a club ground to put money into to get up to a realistic capacity (it would be clubs responsibility to look after it), or put their money into a stand at Dunsilly. Poor attendances at antrim's poor county products means poor revenues

Agree, Tir Na og or Creggan. Central venue. Even St Endas.

Why not two? one up the Glens for the hurlers and one in Belfast/SW for the footballing crowd?

I think one central location is the way forward. Living in Belfast I would like to watch all the NHL games but yes ultimately that drive upto ballycastle etc does put me off (some will argue I'm not a diehard fan and that's fair enough). Likewise there are probably people in the glens with an interest in the football, driving to Belfast puts them off.

The diehard hurling/football fanatics will go anywhere, that's not the audience I'm thinking of. I would like to see more casual supporters of both codes come out and support our teams. Central location in Tir na nog/Creggan is crucial.

But like another poster highlighted, the location won't change our fortunes on the pitch but it will at least give us a base, a set of foundations to build a fortress for visiting teams to be wary of.

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« Reply #550 on: August 23, 2018, 12:55:36 PM »
Did the County Board hand over Casement to the Ulster Council as Declan Bogue stated in the interview??

No. That did not happen and Casement will never be handed over to the Ulster Council.

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Re: Antrim, the way forward
« Reply #551 on: August 23, 2018, 01:29:51 PM »
Did the County Board hand over Casement to the Ulster Council as Declan Bogue stated in the interview??

No. That did not happen and Casement will never be handed over to the Ulster Council.

One of the trustees will be the Ulster Secretary, another will be the Antrim secretary paid by the Ulster Council with the deeds sitting in Armagh or Croke Park so that's a mute point.

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« Reply #552 on: August 23, 2018, 07:04:06 PM »
Does anyone think Antrim have asked the Ulster council or Croke for funding to upgrade a club ground as a temporary county home? I very much doubt it

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« Reply #553 on: August 23, 2018, 09:15:38 PM »
Does anyone think Antrim have asked the Ulster council or Croke for funding to upgrade a club ground as a temporary county home? I very much doubt it

Was there not an artical about Collie Donnelly doing that with Corrigan?

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« Reply #554 on: August 24, 2018, 09:42:28 AM »
Does anyone think Antrim have asked the Ulster council or Croke for funding to upgrade a club ground as a temporary county home? I very much doubt it

Was there not an artical about Collie Donnelly doing that with Corrigan?
How long ago was that? as time passes the need is becoming more and more urgent