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Re: County Manager Merry go round
« Reply #780 on: September 06, 2018, 01:44:56 PM »

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Offaly's 35-step application form shows the crazy demands on modern managers

Pressure on GAA bosses is highlighted by intense selection process for Offaly job, says Michael Verney
September 6 2018 2:30 AM

Inter-County managers regularly detail the level of time which their position demands and a comprehensive application form for the previously vacant Offaly football post - which will be filled by John Maughan - has highlighted the lengths which they must go to before the prospect of an interview.

With a host of inter-county roles currently being advertised, the process as outlined in yesterday's 'Midland Tribune' is an eye-opener, with applicants forced to jump through several hoops before possibly pitching to the board.

Details of each member of their backroom staff, the start of their training, training plans for O'Byrne Cup and league, interaction with clubs and availability of county players, as well as other 'additional info', is documented in the extensive 35-step application broken into six categories: personnel, training, club, U-20s, research and analysis and additional information.

Amazingly, Offaly candidates Paschal Kellaghan and Mark Plunkett - who had former Faithful boss Gerry Fahy as part of his backroom team - didn't receive an interview or get a chance to present plans to the selection committee despite meeting the demands.

It's unclear whether Kerry chairman Tim Murphy will undergo a similarly stringent application process to find the successor to Eamonn Fitzmaurice or if Tipperary chief Michael Bourke will do likewise to replace Michael Ryan, but it highlights the pressure of inter-county management, even well before the job commences.

Under the personnel heading, details of the manager, coach, selectors, goalkeeping coach, additional coaching, video analyst, sports psychologist, nutritionist, recovery and their proposed cost were required.

Under training, dates for individual programmes and the start of collective training, the balance between playing football and physical work, a training plan for O'Byrne Cup, training plan for the league and the number of players on the panel were needed.

In terms of the club, details of how often players would train with their clubs, a demand that players play a prescribed number of club league games and how the candidate would deal with the April window were detailed.

The working relationship with the U-20 management also requires explanation, as does the details of how research/analysis of Division 3 opponents is undertaken.

The additional information catches the eye, with the question "how can you get players onto Sigerson teams?", as well as stating that the county board will decide physios and kit men, while strength and conditioning personnel will be supplied by the board.

"Agreement must also be reached on all types of media interaction", while "suspension from GAA activities by any member of management will mean instant dismissal and suspension from duties during process".

With Stephen Wallace suspended for two months after an incident in a Kerry club game, but still remaining in the Offaly post this summer before being relieved of duties following their shock defeat to Wicklow, measures have been taken to ensure similar instances do not occur again.

The team budget will be administered through a team secretary with "very regular reviews", while there will be "no additional monies allocated and no approaches can be made to any individuals, companies or Club Faithful (Offaly's supporter's club)".

All GAA rules and match-day regulations must be adhered to and any fines incurred will be deducted from the individual's expenses.

Management gear will be agreed at time of appointment and management will not receive players' gear allocation and training cannot commence until player/manager charter is agreed and signed.

The county board will decide the status of U-20 players (prodigious forward Cian Johnson could not play senior last season as internal rules forbid him from playing above his grade), while players brought into the panel must train for a month before being finalised as panel members.

Next time you hear an inter-county manager liken it to a full-time job, this application form might remind you of what the post requires before a ball is pucked or kicked.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/offalys-35step-application-form-shows-the-crazy-demands-on-modern-managers-37288008.html?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=IN:DailyUpdate&hConversionEventId=AQEAAZQF2gAmdjQwMDAwMDE2NS1hZWRhLTBjNjUtYzMxOC0wODE2M2U5Y2IwOTjaACRlMWJmNDM1OC1jZWVhLTQyOTAtMDAwMC0wMjFlZjNhMGJjZDLaACQ1YWZmM2U1MC04ZGE0LTQ4YmUtOTk1NC00MGE3ODA1ZTM1MGIxiR3tfg3pruxZhd6SeGPcyKd4pF-C42bhufTLjr2oLA

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Re: County Manager Merry go round
« Reply #781 on: September 06, 2018, 11:35:21 PM »

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Offaly's 35-step application form shows the crazy demands on modern managers

Pressure on GAA bosses is highlighted by intense selection process for Offaly job, says Michael Verney
September 6 2018 2:30 AM

Inter-County managers regularly detail the level of time which their position demands and a comprehensive application form for the previously vacant Offaly football post - which will be filled by John Maughan - has highlighted the lengths which they must go to before the prospect of an interview.

With a host of inter-county roles currently being advertised, the process as outlined in yesterday's 'Midland Tribune' is an eye-opener, with applicants forced to jump through several hoops before possibly pitching to the board.

Details of each member of their backroom staff, the start of their training, training plans for O'Byrne Cup and league, interaction with clubs and availability of county players, as well as other 'additional info', is documented in the extensive 35-step application broken into six categories: personnel, training, club, U-20s, research and analysis and additional information.

Amazingly, Offaly candidates Paschal Kellaghan and Mark Plunkett - who had former Faithful boss Gerry Fahy as part of his backroom team - didn't receive an interview or get a chance to present plans to the selection committee despite meeting the demands.

It's unclear whether Kerry chairman Tim Murphy will undergo a similarly stringent application process to find the successor to Eamonn Fitzmaurice or if Tipperary chief Michael Bourke will do likewise to replace Michael Ryan, but it highlights the pressure of inter-county management, even well before the job commences.

Under the personnel heading, details of the manager, coach, selectors, goalkeeping coach, additional coaching, video analyst, sports psychologist, nutritionist, recovery and their proposed cost were required.

Under training, dates for individual programmes and the start of collective training, the balance between playing football and physical work, a training plan for O'Byrne Cup, training plan for the league and the number of players on the panel were needed.

In terms of the club, details of how often players would train with their clubs, a demand that players play a prescribed number of club league games and how the candidate would deal with the April window were detailed.

The working relationship with the U-20 management also requires explanation, as does the details of how research/analysis of Division 3 opponents is undertaken.

The additional information catches the eye, with the question "how can you get players onto Sigerson teams?", as well as stating that the county board will decide physios and kit men, while strength and conditioning personnel will be supplied by the board.

"Agreement must also be reached on all types of media interaction", while "suspension from GAA activities by any member of management will mean instant dismissal and suspension from duties during process".

With Stephen Wallace suspended for two months after an incident in a Kerry club game, but still remaining in the Offaly post this summer before being relieved of duties following their shock defeat to Wicklow, measures have been taken to ensure similar instances do not occur again.

The team budget will be administered through a team secretary with "very regular reviews", while there will be "no additional monies allocated and no approaches can be made to any individuals, companies or Club Faithful (Offaly's supporter's club)".

All GAA rules and match-day regulations must be adhered to and any fines incurred will be deducted from the individual's expenses.

Management gear will be agreed at time of appointment and management will not receive players' gear allocation and training cannot commence until player/manager charter is agreed and signed.

The county board will decide the status of U-20 players (prodigious forward Cian Johnson could not play senior last season as internal rules forbid him from playing above his grade), while players brought into the panel must train for a month before being finalised as panel members.

Next time you hear an inter-county manager liken it to a full-time job, this application form might remind you of what the post requires before a ball is pucked or kicked.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/offalys-35step-application-form-shows-the-crazy-demands-on-modern-managers-37288008.html?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=IN:DailyUpdate&hConversionEventId=AQEAAZQF2gAmdjQwMDAwMDE2NS1hZWRhLTBjNjUtYzMxOC0wODE2M2U5Y2IwOTjaACRlMWJmNDM1OC1jZWVhLTQyOTAtMDAwMC0wMjFlZjNhMGJjZDLaACQ1YWZmM2U1MC04ZGE0LTQ4YmUtOTk1NC00MGE3ODA1ZTM1MGIxiR3tfg3pruxZhd6SeGPcyKd4pF-C42bhufTLjr2oLA
I know they ended up with Maughan but most of those are completely required to know before hiring a manager, would love to see the Sligo one before we ended up with Carew and Corey after.

The main ones i don't agree are the Sigerson one as that impacts the County team not in a best way and is seperate, using your position to approach rich business men should be welcomed as i think McGuinness funded Donegal this way, and Managerial gear should be pretty close to the what the players get bar playing gear.
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Re: County Manager Merry go round
« Reply #782 on: September 07, 2018, 10:53:08 AM »

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Offaly's 35-step application form shows the crazy demands on modern managers

Pressure on GAA bosses is highlighted by intense selection process for Offaly job, says Michael Verney
September 6 2018 2:30 AM

Inter-County managers regularly detail the level of time which their position demands and a comprehensive application form for the previously vacant Offaly football post - which will be filled by John Maughan - has highlighted the lengths which they must go to before the prospect of an interview.

With a host of inter-county roles currently being advertised, the process as outlined in yesterday's 'Midland Tribune' is an eye-opener, with applicants forced to jump through several hoops before possibly pitching to the board.

Details of each member of their backroom staff, the start of their training, training plans for O'Byrne Cup and league, interaction with clubs and availability of county players, as well as other 'additional info', is documented in the extensive 35-step application broken into six categories: personnel, training, club, U-20s, research and analysis and additional information.

Amazingly, Offaly candidates Paschal Kellaghan and Mark Plunkett - who had former Faithful boss Gerry Fahy as part of his backroom team - didn't receive an interview or get a chance to present plans to the selection committee despite meeting the demands.

It's unclear whether Kerry chairman Tim Murphy will undergo a similarly stringent application process to find the successor to Eamonn Fitzmaurice or if Tipperary chief Michael Bourke will do likewise to replace Michael Ryan, but it highlights the pressure of inter-county management, even well before the job commences.

Under the personnel heading, details of the manager, coach, selectors, goalkeeping coach, additional coaching, video analyst, sports psychologist, nutritionist, recovery and their proposed cost were required.

Under training, dates for individual programmes and the start of collective training, the balance between playing football and physical work, a training plan for O'Byrne Cup, training plan for the league and the number of players on the panel were needed.

In terms of the club, details of how often players would train with their clubs, a demand that players play a prescribed number of club league games and how the candidate would deal with the April window were detailed.

The working relationship with the U-20 management also requires explanation, as does the details of how research/analysis of Division 3 opponents is undertaken.

The additional information catches the eye, with the question "how can you get players onto Sigerson teams?", as well as stating that the county board will decide physios and kit men, while strength and conditioning personnel will be supplied by the board.

"Agreement must also be reached on all types of media interaction", while "suspension from GAA activities by any member of management will mean instant dismissal and suspension from duties during process".

With Stephen Wallace suspended for two months after an incident in a Kerry club game, but still remaining in the Offaly post this summer before being relieved of duties following their shock defeat to Wicklow, measures have been taken to ensure similar instances do not occur again.

The team budget will be administered through a team secretary with "very regular reviews", while there will be "no additional monies allocated and no approaches can be made to any individuals, companies or Club Faithful (Offaly's supporter's club)".

All GAA rules and match-day regulations must be adhered to and any fines incurred will be deducted from the individual's expenses.

Management gear will be agreed at time of appointment and management will not receive players' gear allocation and training cannot commence until player/manager charter is agreed and signed.

The county board will decide the status of U-20 players (prodigious forward Cian Johnson could not play senior last season as internal rules forbid him from playing above his grade), while players brought into the panel must train for a month before being finalised as panel members.

Next time you hear an inter-county manager liken it to a full-time job, this application form might remind you of what the post requires before a ball is pucked or kicked.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/offalys-35step-application-form-shows-the-crazy-demands-on-modern-managers-37288008.html?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=IN:DailyUpdate&hConversionEventId=AQEAAZQF2gAmdjQwMDAwMDE2NS1hZWRhLTBjNjUtYzMxOC0wODE2M2U5Y2IwOTjaACRlMWJmNDM1OC1jZWVhLTQyOTAtMDAwMC0wMjFlZjNhMGJjZDLaACQ1YWZmM2U1MC04ZGE0LTQ4YmUtOTk1NC00MGE3ODA1ZTM1MGIxiR3tfg3pruxZhd6SeGPcyKd4pF-C42bhufTLjr2oLA


using your position to approach rich business men should be welcomed as i think McGuinness funded Donegal this way,


The issue arises when existing sponsors are approached for funding the Senior Football team and the county then can't pay the heating bill - see a Leinster county who went bankrupt in the not so distant past.

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Re: County Manager Merry go round
« Reply #783 on: September 11, 2018, 12:12:56 AM »
No merry go round in Monaghan as Malachy appointed to end of 2020.
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« Reply #784 on: September 11, 2018, 12:30:39 AM »
No merry go round in Monaghan as Malachy appointed to end of 2020.

If they didn't know it in 2013 Monaghan should know now they have got themselves a gem and are right to keep him on as long as possible.

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« Reply #785 on: September 11, 2018, 12:37:04 AM »
Monaghan get so many things right.
If we could only copy them..... :-\
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« Reply #786 on: September 11, 2018, 12:37:39 AM »
Monaghan get so many things right.
If we could only copy them..... :-\

Keeping McStay would have been a start.

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« Reply #787 on: September 11, 2018, 12:46:05 AM »
He resigned ;) and anyway not much point keeping a manager and losing half a panel.
When did Monaghan last concede 4-24 to a team with poor enough forwards?

PS we should have kept Fergal 2 years ago instead of your not so cool clean hero.
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« Reply #788 on: September 11, 2018, 12:48:26 AM »
He resigned ;) and anyway not much point keeping a manager and losing half a panel.
When did Monaghan last concede 4-24 to a team with poor enough forwards?

PS we should have kept Fergal 2 years ago instead of your not so cool clean hero.

Most of those lads ainít coming back because we changed managers..

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« Reply #789 on: September 11, 2018, 09:06:56 AM »
Monaghan get so many things right.
If we could only copy them..... :-\

Keeping McStay would have been a start.

How do you keep someone who is determined to leave..

Mcstay hinted at issues with the county board ability  're facilities and finance but given he had a 3500 word well prepared exit speech do you not think he would have called it out if he was as your conspiracy theory suggests he was ousted  / pushed.
What changed in the 8 weeks since he announced without needing to that he was staying j don't know other than it appears he wasn't prepared to continue and accept several players have lives and may take a break from the hamster wheel of  intercounty football

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« Reply #790 on: September 11, 2018, 09:31:09 AM »
Either he had " lost " the panel or Ä man had stern words over state of the team this Summer.
Either way the lengthy statement suggests it wasn't a spur of the moment decision.
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« Reply #791 on: September 11, 2018, 09:55:12 AM »
McStay is very likeable  and you've got to admire him for actually giving it a go but those scorelines in the Super 8's aren't a true reflection of the players Roscommon have, they went backwards results wise in the championship in 2018. Roscommon should have been a lot more competitive then they were.

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« Reply #792 on: September 11, 2018, 10:30:13 AM »
McStay is very likeable  and you've got to admire him for actually giving it a go but those scorelines in the Super 8's aren't a true reflection of the players Roscommon have, they went backwards results wise in the championship in 2018. Roscommon should have been a lot more competitive then they were.

They got a fair trimming off Mayo last year too in fairness.
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« Reply #793 on: September 11, 2018, 11:34:50 AM »
McStay is very likeable  and you've got to admire him for actually giving it a go but those scorelines in the Super 8's aren't a true reflection of the players Roscommon have, they went backwards results wise in the championship in 2018. Roscommon should have been a lot more competitive then they were.

They got a fair trimming off Mayo last year too in fairness.

Their was that too but their was at least signs of promise with the draw the first day.

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« Reply #794 on: September 11, 2018, 11:38:11 AM »
McStay is very likeable  and you've got to admire him for actually giving it a go but those scorelines in the Super 8's aren't a true reflection of the players Roscommon have, they went backwards results wise in the championship in 2018. Roscommon should have been a lot more competitive then they were.

They got a fair trimming off Mayo last year too in fairness.

Defendivecerakness and lack of fitness didn't happen this year alright