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« Reply #255 on: May 20, 2015, 09:16:25 PM »
The man went out of his way to be offended and got offended, but political correctness these days particularly around homosexuality is unbelievable and hence the media hype around it.
It was accepted by the defence - indeed it was part of their defence - that this man had been a regular customer at Ashers. So he didn't go out of his way at all - it appears he went to his regular bakery.

He therefore knew their beliefs and choose to use his position as a gay rights activists to try and humiliate them.

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« Reply #256 on: May 20, 2015, 09:24:10 PM »
The man went out of his way to be offended and got offended, but political correctness these days particularly around homosexuality is unbelievable and hence the media hype around it.
It was accepted by the defence - indeed it was part of their defence - that this man had been a regular customer at Ashers. So he didn't go out of his way at all - it appears he went to his regular bakery.

He therefore knew their beliefs and choose to use his position as a gay rights activists to try and humiliate them.
They offered a service and refused to provide it. They're a limited liability company with no right to discriminate against a customer based on religious, political or sexual orientation grounds and clearly breached the law.

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« Reply #257 on: May 20, 2015, 09:27:21 PM »
The man went out of his way to be offended and got offended, but political correctness these days particularly around homosexuality is unbelievable and hence the media hype around it.
It was accepted by the defence - indeed it was part of their defence - that this man had been a regular customer at Ashers. So he didn't go out of his way at all - it appears he went to his regular bakery.

He therefore knew their beliefs and choose to use his position as a gay rights activists to try and humiliate them.
They offered a service and refused to provide it. They're a limited liability company with no right to discriminate against a customer based on religious, political or sexual orientation grounds and clearly breached the law.

So if an extremist wanted a cake with a message we love you jihadi john and a image of someone being beheaded - they would have to provide that?

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« Reply #258 on: May 20, 2015, 09:29:24 PM »
The man went out of his way to be offended and got offended, but political correctness these days particularly around homosexuality is unbelievable and hence the media hype around it.
It was accepted by the defence - indeed it was part of their defence - that this man had been a regular customer at Ashers. So he didn't go out of his way at all - it appears he went to his regular bakery.

He therefore knew their beliefs and choose to use his position as a gay rights activists to try and humiliate them.
Well he says he didn't know their beliefs, which doesn't seem too far fetched. If he had known their beliefs, would he have been happy to give them his regular custom? It's a city centre bakery - do you know the beliefs of the owners of all (or any) of the businesses on Royal Avenue?

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« Reply #259 on: May 20, 2015, 09:30:16 PM »
The man went out of his way to be offended and got offended, but political correctness these days particularly around homosexuality is unbelievable and hence the media hype around it.
It was accepted by the defence - indeed it was part of their defence - that this man had been a regular customer at Ashers. So he didn't go out of his way at all - it appears he went to his regular bakery.

He therefore knew their beliefs and choose to use his position as a gay rights activists to try and humiliate them.
They offered a service and refused to provide it. They're a limited liability company with no right to discriminate against a customer based on religious, political or sexual orientation grounds and clearly breached the law.

So if an extremist wanted a cake with a message we love you jihadi john and a image of someone being beheaded - they would have to provide that?
No, because that would fall under incitement to hatred.

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« Reply #260 on: May 20, 2015, 09:31:36 PM »
So Sidney is incorrect saying they're a limited liability company with no right to discriminate against a customer based on religious, political or sexual orientation grounds and clearly breached the law?

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« Reply #261 on: May 20, 2015, 09:32:21 PM »
The man went out of his way to be offended and got offended, but political correctness these days particularly around homosexuality is unbelievable and hence the media hype around it.
It was accepted by the defence - indeed it was part of their defence - that this man had been a regular customer at Ashers. So he didn't go out of his way at all - it appears he went to his regular bakery.

He therefore knew their beliefs and choose to use his position as a gay rights activists to try and humiliate them.
Well he says he didn't know their beliefs, which doesn't seem too far fetched. If he had known their beliefs, would he have been happy to give them his regular custom? It's a city centre bakery - do you know the beliefs of the owners of all (or any) of the businesses on Royal Avenue?

I live nowhere near it - but would know those of people in my hometown.

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Re: Ashers cake controversy.
« Reply #262 on: May 20, 2015, 09:34:03 PM »
Might go into the printing shop in Andytown and get a load of God Save The Queen t-shirts made up.
They'll not refuse now.


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« Reply #263 on: May 20, 2015, 09:35:10 PM »
The man went out of his way to be offended and got offended, but political correctness these days particularly around homosexuality is unbelievable and hence the media hype around it.
It was accepted by the defence - indeed it was part of their defence - that this man had been a regular customer at Ashers. So he didn't go out of his way at all - it appears he went to his regular bakery.

He therefore knew their beliefs and choose to use his position as a gay rights activists to try and humiliate them.
They offered a service and refused to provide it. They're a limited liability company with no right to discriminate against a customer based on religious, political or sexual orientation grounds and clearly breached the law.

So if an extremist wanted a cake with a message we love you jihadi john and a image of someone being beheaded - they would have to provide that?
No, because that would fall under incitement to hatred.

What about islam, the only true religion?

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« Reply #264 on: May 20, 2015, 09:36:18 PM »
The man went out of his way to be offended and got offended, but political correctness these days particularly around homosexuality is unbelievable and hence the media hype around it.
It was accepted by the defence - indeed it was part of their defence - that this man had been a regular customer at Ashers. So he didn't go out of his way at all - it appears he went to his regular bakery.

He therefore knew their beliefs and choose to use his position as a gay rights activists to try and humiliate them.
Well he says he didn't know their beliefs, which doesn't seem too far fetched. If he had known their beliefs, would he have been happy to give them his regular custom? It's a city centre bakery - do you know the beliefs of the owners of all (or any) of the businesses on Royal Avenue?

I live nowhere near it - but would know those of people in my hometown.
This is a city centre, not a small town. Big difference. I've lived in and around Belfast for over 15 years and would be in the city centre regularly. I'd have no idea of the owners of any of the businesses, much less their religious beliefs.

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« Reply #265 on: May 20, 2015, 09:36:32 PM »
Might go into the printing shop in Andytown and get a load of God Save The Queen t-shirts made up.
They'll not refuse now.

I don't know mentioning the Queen could get the equality commission involved again!

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Re: Ashers cake controversy.
« Reply #266 on: May 20, 2015, 09:36:46 PM »
The man went out of his way to be offended and got offended, but political correctness these days particularly around homosexuality is unbelievable and hence the media hype around it.
It was accepted by the defence - indeed it was part of their defence - that this man had been a regular customer at Ashers. So he didn't go out of his way at all - it appears he went to his regular bakery.

He therefore knew their beliefs and choose to use his position as a gay rights activists to try and humiliate them.
They offered a service and refused to provide it. They're a limited liability company with no right to discriminate against a customer based on religious, political or sexual orientation grounds and clearly breached the law.

So if an extremist wanted a cake with a message we love you jihadi john and a image of someone being beheaded - they would have to provide that?
No, because that would fall under incitement to hatred.

What about islam, the only true religion?
What about it?

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Re: Ashers cake controversy.
« Reply #267 on: May 20, 2015, 09:38:04 PM »
Would they have to make that cake?

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« Reply #268 on: May 20, 2015, 09:54:26 PM »
I was down south (US) after 9/11 and there was a shop selling bumper stickers stating-"A tea towel is not a hat".  Wonder if a Muslim owned printing shop or bakery could be forced to make some up for me
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« Reply #269 on: May 20, 2015, 09:57:18 PM »
South being the Southern USA I assume, not Cork or Kerry? 😃