Author Topic: Down Club Hurling & Football  (Read 4911744 times)

Lotto

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 37
    • View Profile
Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
« Reply #31485 on: May 20, 2019, 09:41:20 PM »
I seriously don't get the celebration of being gallant losers, sure aren't we just great we nearly won a game against our hated rivals but all is good, we played some nice football, if Caolan and Rory hadn't got sent off and with a wee bit of luck we could have won but it's grand we'll take being second best. But hey, we have a(n extremely well paid) genius over us who has us really going places. I think some of you need to wake up and smell the coffee. We're still in Division 3 when we couldn't get over the line against an average Louth team and people think we have made progress this year.

Tally did a brilliant job tactically
Brilliant tactics???

The long ball in was working and we got scores being direct but failed to consistently do this.
Do you know what happens when a team continue to kick a ball long? Defenders get wise to it, get men back and break it. The reason Down were so effective was because they hit it so little and did it at crucial times when Armagh were vulnerable at the back and managed to catch them out. Thats not to say that it would work everytime. I would expect any division 4 club team to know how to play against a high ball in let alone a county team

A bit like Armagh, a county team not a Division 4 club team, did for the last goal.

thewobbler

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3814
    • View Profile
    • Balllyholland Harps GAC
Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
« Reply #31486 on: May 20, 2019, 11:05:56 PM »
Iíve been watching football for 35 years and one thing has remained a constant: when a long ball is kicked in that actually gives an attacker a half a chance of winning, it scares the shit out of defenders.

Most long balls donít work as theyíre the wrong trajectory (every foot of height gives the defender a few ms more to adjust) or because theyíre landing near the corner flag and serve little advantage in winning,  or are kicked long just as the attacker is coming short.

But plant it up there and ensure the target has at least some ground support, and fear will rule. At every level.
« Last Edit: May 20, 2019, 11:13:01 PM by thewobbler »

Mourne Rover

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1301
    • View Profile
Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
« Reply #31487 on: May 20, 2019, 11:21:04 PM »
Lotto has clearly forgotten about our last Ulster championship match 12 months ago when Donegal beat us by 13 points without breaking sweat even through we had an extra man for almost an entire hour. This time round, we came up with a strategy to negate Armagh's perceived superiority at midfield until Mooney got himself sent off. We then regrouped, had to cope with the black card for our keeper and then finished very strongly to come from five behind and get a draw. We could have won it in extra time and lost out by a point in the end. We had six players starting in the championship for the first time with a further four debuts from the bench.

When most supporters think we have made significant progress since last year's debacle, Lotto thinks we are celebrating failure. In Lotto's world, you can somehow push up on the opposition and keep kicking the ball in long, even if you are a man down. Lotto's tactical insight is summed up as `let the players play FFS'. Lotto did not notice the way we rotated our full forwards and pulled Armagh defenders out of possession, resulting in three goals, and obviously missed the sense of purpose which was present across the squad.

There were plenty of handling mistakes and errors of judgment along the way, we have a long way to go and much will depend on the draw for the qualfiiers. However, we have a spirit about us, the younger players are only going to improve and we are begining to look like we might become a team again. It's a start.

RadioGAAGAA

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 783
    • View Profile
Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
« Reply #31488 on: May 21, 2019, 03:03:34 PM »
Iíve been watching football for 35 years and one thing has remained a constant: when a long ball is kicked in that actually gives an attacker a half a chance of winning, it scares the shit out of defenders.

Most long balls donít work as theyíre the wrong trajectory (every foot of height gives the defender a few ms more to adjust) or because theyíre landing near the corner flag and serve little advantage in winning,  or are kicked long just as the attacker is coming short.

But plant it up there and ensure the target has at least some ground support, and fear will rule. At every level.

At the risk of sounding like one of them ould fellas of the flat cap brigade... a long ball in that is gonna bounce on the goaline is about the right flight for asking all sorts of awkward questions of the goalie and fullback.

Particularly if the fullback is already worried about the ball out in front and is marking in front.
i usse an speelchekor

Aristo 60

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1023
  • There's no goal like a Down goal!
    • View Profile
Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
« Reply #31489 on: May 21, 2019, 03:55:55 PM »
Lotto has clearly forgotten about our last Ulster championship match 12 months ago when Donegal beat us by 13 points without breaking sweat even through we had an extra man for almost an entire hour. This time round, we came up with a strategy to negate Armagh's perceived superiority at midfield until Mooney got himself sent off. We then regrouped, had to cope with the black card for our keeper and then finished very strongly to come from five behind and get a draw. We could have won it in extra time and lost out by a point in the end. We had six players starting in the championship for the first time with a further four debuts from the bench.

When most supporters think we have made significant progress since last year's debacle, Lotto thinks we are celebrating failure. In Lotto's world, you can somehow push up on the opposition and keep kicking the ball in long, even if you are a man down. Lotto's tactical insight is summed up as `let the players play FFS'. Lotto did not notice the way we rotated our full forwards and pulled Armagh defenders out of possession, resulting in three goals, and obviously missed the sense of purpose which was present across the squad.

There were plenty of handling mistakes and errors of judgment along the way, we have a long way to go and much will depend on the draw for the qualfiiers. However, we have a spirit about us, the younger players are only going to improve and we are begining to look like we might become a team again. It's a start.

Well said.

befair

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 146
    • View Profile
Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
« Reply #31490 on: May 23, 2019, 03:53:09 PM »
Ryan Mallon came on and was then taken off. Was this tactical or was he injured?
If it was the former then I think that could be the last we will see of him in the red and black

He was taken off because of his inability to lift the ball but rather chose to put his toe in it, a decision which ended up with the ball in our net within 20 seconds. Head down and run hard is all he has ever been about with very poor decision making throw in, I'm sure Armagh would have rather he had stayed on as he offered nothing.

Every player can make a mistake; taking a lad off so shortly after being brought on was an unnecessary humiliation. Mallon is a county standard footballer, and would be an excellent full-back; I agree further up the field he is less effective

Hedgehunter

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 203
    • View Profile
Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
« Reply #31491 on: May 23, 2019, 05:31:01 PM »
Ryan Mallon came on and was then taken off. Was this tactical or was he injured?
If it was the former then I think that could be the last we will see of him in the red and black

He was taken off because of his inability to lift the ball but rather chose to put his toe in it, a decision which ended up with the ball in our net within 20 seconds. Head down and run hard is all he has ever been about with very poor decision making throw in, I'm sure Armagh would have rather he had stayed on as he offered nothing.

Every player can make a mistake; taking a lad off so shortly after being brought on was an unnecessary humiliation. Mallon is a county standard footballer, and would be an excellent full-back; I agree further up the field he is less effective

I even suggested to another fan that Mallon would have been better suited to go in to full back when they brought Poland back on..

Smurfy123

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 847
    • View Profile
Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
« Reply #31492 on: May 23, 2019, 10:16:48 PM »
Another big win for Ballyholland tonight. Big second half for them coming from 4 points down in last 10 minutes. Mooney playing for Rostrevor so I take it games are not starred. Leaves Ballyholland in a good position after a pooor start. Fair play to them

razor

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 54
    • View Profile
Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
« Reply #31493 on: May 24, 2019, 12:17:39 PM »
Another big win for Ballyholland tonight. Big second half for them coming from 4 points down in last 10 minutes. Mooney playing for Rostrevor so I take it games are not starred. Leaves Ballyholland in a good position after a pooor start. Fair play to them

Why would these games be starred when Down dont play until 8th June?

Smurfy123

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 847
    • View Profile
Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
« Reply #31494 on: May 24, 2019, 01:05:38 PM »
Who said they were you clown? Get off that high horse that you are on. Are you looking to make a few friends

charlieTully

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1312
    • View Profile
Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
« Reply #31495 on: May 24, 2019, 05:38:49 PM »
Who said they were you clown? Get off that high horse that you are on. Are you looking to make a few friends

 :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Aristo 60

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1023
  • There's no goal like a Down goal!
    • View Profile
Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
« Reply #31496 on: May 27, 2019, 10:54:57 AM »
Tipp at home then.

They haven't been going well this year with just one win Div 2. Looks like a winnable game if the Down men can bring the same energy and never say die attitude back to Newry as was on display the last day.

I'm thinking a win, which will give our young lads the experience they will need for the future ahead.

Mourne Rover

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1301
    • View Profile
Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
« Reply #31497 on: May 27, 2019, 10:21:40 PM »
After Monaghan, Tipperary were probably the second toughest draw we could have got. While their league form was poor, they were still a division above us  and they had a particularly impressive win over Donegal. They have had a decent record over the last few seasons, thanks to an astute manager and one of the best full forwards in the country, although their championship defeat against Limerick must be a good sign for us. A home tie probably helps us but our record  in Newry over the last four years has been disappointing. If we can find a full back, and use our younger players properly, we should be capable of getting another day out.

Smurfy123

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 847
    • View Profile
Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
« Reply #31498 on: May 27, 2019, 11:05:31 PM »
This will be a massive test for this young squad and if they can get through it they will be given some boost. Itís a game that Down can win but one that they can also loose easily. My big worry would be Sweeney and Quinlivan in the full forward line. It is probably our weakest line and Tipperary strongest. I would prefer to play Tipp than Fermanagh though.

Targetman

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 606
    • View Profile
Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
« Reply #31499 on: May 29, 2019, 10:09:33 PM »
Result from tonightís U20ís match, Down 7-13 Armagh 0-12