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« Reply #1140 on: April 18, 2019, 09:26:04 AM »
It makes you wonder how good really is Guardiola? He hasn’t won the CL since Barcelona were at their peak in 2011. That Barcelona team could have won those CL’s with Big Sam in charge.

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« Reply #1141 on: April 18, 2019, 09:32:46 AM »
Its not a handball under the current law but under next seasons rule change it could be.

As for Pep his record in Europe is never questioned by the media, he gets a free ride from them. He inherited a brillaint Bayern side and never went close on winning it and then inherited a very good City side and then spent over £500m yet still hasn't got close to winning it. In all 3 years he's been knocked out by teams you wouldn't class as one of Europe's strongest. This was a brilliant chance to win it, with 3 of Europe's big 4 in transition, PSG out and Italy's best club looking like their finished at the top level too. That won't happen every season.

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« Reply #1142 on: April 18, 2019, 10:21:55 AM »
Its not a handball under the current law but under next seasons rule change it could be.
That's fair enough, Llorente's goal was legit and that type of contact might still might be legit next season.

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« Reply #1143 on: April 18, 2019, 10:56:53 AM »
Its not a handball under the current law but under next seasons rule change it could be.

Yep agreed. I did some reading on silhouette rule etc. Looks like a lot of changes next year. I dunno how referees keep up with all this stuff.

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« Reply #1144 on: April 18, 2019, 12:11:21 PM »
Enjoyed the suspense but felt like that offide for the City late goal was a load of bollocks, the City player tried to intercept the ball from Spurs player it hit him and ran into path of Augero, no way can that ricochet be considered a pass, but for their financial doping City can have it with bells on

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« Reply #1145 on: April 18, 2019, 12:49:35 PM »
Enjoyed the suspense but felt like that offide for the City late goal was a load of bollocks, the City player tried to intercept the ball from Spurs player it hit him and ran into path of Augero, no way can that ricochet be considered a pass, but for their financial doping City can have it with bells on

There is no provision for intent in the offside rule so whether it was a ricochet or not is irrelevant.

A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is played or touched* by a team-mate is only penalised on becoming involved in active play by..

A city player had the last touch and when he did Aguero was in an offside position so he was offside.

The handball rule changes are going to cause chaos next year.
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« Reply #1146 on: April 18, 2019, 12:50:10 PM »
I thought the footage used by the VAR screen for Llorentes ‘handball’ at pitch side was far from the best angle that BT sports were showing.

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« Reply #1147 on: April 18, 2019, 01:06:12 PM »
I thought the footage used by the VAR screen for Llorentes ‘handball’ at pitch side was far from the best angle that BT sports were showing.

There was an angle during the match itself that clearly shows the ball striking his elbow, changing direction and striking his hip and changing direction into the goal. They just flat out didn't look at it in the "analysis" afterwards. There's no question of it not hitting his arm to anyone who's not a spanner.

Not a handball though.
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« Reply #1148 on: April 18, 2019, 01:11:28 PM »
Guardiola took on a huge job with Man City

Not really. Taking over a club that has failed to make any headway in Europe with an unlimited budget to recruit whoever he likes,  while naming his own salary to do so seems like a nice enough number for someone of Guardiola's standing.   It's not like they're gonna sack him anytime soon.  Much less stressful than the Barca or Real jobs since at City he is considered bigger than the club.
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« Reply #1149 on: April 18, 2019, 01:13:21 PM »
In respect of the ‘handball’ the question that should be asked is would a penalty have been awarded if it was on a defender?  I think the answer is categorically no. The elbow was in a natural position and the ball was to his arm not the other way around. It was completely incidental and there was absolutely no way it was a handball under the current rules.

Still trying to fathom if it’s a good result for us or a bad one?  Will the emotional rollercoaster of up and down at the end destroy City? Will they react positively and push on and go unbeaten? The big game may not be Spurs as there’s a real revenge element to that game. Big game could be United and if they can keep themselves up mentally. Next week will decide the PL.

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« Reply #1150 on: April 18, 2019, 01:32:28 PM »
Guardiola took on a huge job with Man City

Not really. Taking over a club that has failed to make any headway in Europe with an unlimited budget to recruit whoever he likes,  while naming his own salary to do so seems like a nice enough number for someone of Guardiola's standing.   It's not like they're gonna sack him anytime soon.  Much less stressful than the Barca or Real jobs since at City he is considered bigger than the club.
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« Reply #1151 on: April 18, 2019, 03:09:14 PM »
In respect of the ‘handball’ the question that should be asked is would a penalty have been awarded if it was on a defender?  I think the answer is categorically no. The elbow was in a natural position and the ball was to his arm not the other way around. It was completely incidental and there was absolutely no way it was a handball under the current rules.

Still trying to fathom if it’s a good result for us or a bad one?  Will the emotional rollercoaster of up and down at the end destroy City? Will they react positively and push on and go unbeaten? The big game may not be Spurs as there’s a real revenge element to that game. Big game could be United and if they can keep themselves up mentally. Next week will decide the PL.

Ill start by agreeing that I don’t think it’s a handball but I don’t think that’s the question either particularly when trying to conclude intent. If it doesn’t hit his arm it’s likely to hit him further up than his hip. A softer part of his body. The attacker in that situation likely doesn’t car what part of his body it hits provided it deflects and goes in coming off a hard part of the like an elbow makes that more likely so at the point he throws himself towards the ball his intent is merely to deflect that ball with any part of his body with a preference for the harder parts that give him the best chance of scoring. A defensive player wouldn’t want it to hit any part of their body and merely deflect. They’d be trying to impart more control on the ball in order to ultimately clear it. So they would be more likely to be intending to hit the ball with specific parts of their body.

Similarly the penalty between handballs is so vastly different. The attacker can be indifferent to it in so far as if he intentionally handles the ball the worst that will happen is a free out for the defender the equivalent penalty is far more severe.

All that said the fact the handball is being debated just shows how poor an idea VAR is. VAR has added nothing in this instance but factual decisions it could be used for have been ignored by it.

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« Reply #1152 on: April 18, 2019, 03:32:59 PM »
Nonsense.

If it wasn't for VAR, Sterling's last minute effort would have stood.
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« Reply #1153 on: April 18, 2019, 03:36:34 PM »
Nonsense.

If it wasn't for VAR, Sterling's last minute effort would have stood.

Maybe it should have stood?

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« Reply #1154 on: April 18, 2019, 03:49:47 PM »
Nonsense.

If it wasn't for VAR, Sterling's last minute effort would have stood.

Maybe it should have stood?

Why Boycey as Aguero was offside with no subjectivity involved? Offside is a matter of fact generally bar the interfering with play assessment which was not in dispute last night?
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