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Re: Antrim Football Thread
« Reply #1380 on: September 07, 2007, 09:03:09 AM »
two days at La Salle? pants
I try to introduce a bit of levity into a serious topic and this is the thanks I get.  I take it then that you believed the bit about McGourty's wardrobe and embroidered boots?

i didnt know it was a spelling contest
It isn't, but a wise man on this board once quoted, I think, Flann O'Brien who said "A man who can misplace an apostrophe is capable of anything".  Always good to know the type of person you're dealing with.

smaller club? Lamhs have been in a couple of county finals lately, they are also a div 1 hurling team as well

I didn't mean LD specifically. The point I was making that the two main reasons for transfers in Antrim seem to be because of fall outs and ambition to play at a higher level. But, since you have brought it up, there can be no doubt that by moving from LD to St Gall's, any player would significantly improve their chances of winning multiple county titles.

I can think of myriad transfers within Antrim that prove my point:
Ciaran O'Grady - Eire Og (small club) to Naomh Gall (bigger club)
Aaron Thompson - St Agnes (small club) to Naomh Gall (bigger club)
Billy & John Drake - Lisburn (small club) to Naomh Gall (bigger club)
Eamonn & Paul Graham - Cushendun (small club) to Rosaa (then a bigger club)
Joe McCaffrey - O'Donnell's (small club) to Rossa (bigger club)
Adrian Craig - Portglenone (then a small club) to Cargin (bigger club)
The two Glenavy boys - Glenavy (small club) to Lamh Dhearg (bigger club)
etc.

Hopefully, you can get my point now.

if you know him so well then you would know that he  was not coming anyway

It seems that the transfer is not going to go through which is the correct course of action.

what facts and figures have you got to back up your opinion on other counties views on people transfering to other clubs?

Max has helped me out by giving his opinion about transfers in Derry.  I asked boys in work from Derry about transfers between clubs in Derry, they came up with three. Gary Coleman moving from Magherafelt to Ballymaquigan was one - he had moved to Ballymaquigan and it was his father's home club - nothing untoward there.  A boy (Donnelly?) once moved from Bellaghy to Lavey, but it had to be via Cargin before the county board would consider it.  Another boyo once transferred from Glen to Slaughneil and subsequently transferred back before he was eventually suspended from the club for dipping pockets in the changing rooms.  I asked another boy in work about transfers in Down and he highlighted DJ Kane who moved from Mitchel's to Shamrocks again via a club in Antrim (O'Donnells). He also mentioned the James McCartan mobile home farce in Down.

Both county boards seem to have a rule that if you want to transfer between clubs in the counties you have to sit out a year (which would stop transfers like the Sheeny McQuillan one.

I could safely bet that for every transfer in either county, I could name ten or twelve in Antrim.

what thirds goalkeeper are you talking about?

You appear not to have read what I posted.  My point was that the county under-21 keeper from a couple of years ago, Stephen Harbinson, was on his third club (St. Teresa's), having fallen out with his two previous ones (LD agus Naomh Eoin). I was trying to show the dangers of allowing transfers because of fallouts.

i played last night and we had the sub goalkeeper from the all ireland team playing.

Good to see that you're still getting a game and the obvious strength in depth your club has, but IMHO this is totally irrelevant to the matters being discussed.

if i spelt or wrote something wrong i'm sorry...............nobhead

You made that silent 'k' an invisible one too...sheer genius.

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Not telling you who I am.

Who are you Saffron Sam to make such an objective call on what, in each instance in my opinion, should be looked at subjectively.
Clearly there was some fall out between the Logans and Ahoghill that made it impossible for them to stay on...sure they not be allowed to play football or have to leave the county.
It isn't a subjective issue.  If there was a disagreement then it should be sorted out inhouse.  Every club in Ireland has internal disputes, but only in Antrim does it seem that these lead to regular transfers.

I will leave now by quoting from the outcome of  DRA case 12 & 13/2005 Pádraig Mac Gothraigh and Conchur Mac Bhranaigh -v- St Joseph 's GAC Glenavy and The Antrim County Committee.

We reject the submission that a player has the automatic right to play for whatever club he chooses and we remind the parties of Rule 32 of the Official Guide as amended:

“As the Gaelic Athletic Association is community centred, based on the allegiance of its members to their local Clubs and Counties, the Transfer and Declaration Rules in this Official Guide and in County Bye Laws reflect that ethos. A player is considered to owe allegiance and loyalty to his Home Club and County, as defined in these Rules.”
 
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Re: Antrim Football Thread
« Reply #1381 on: September 07, 2007, 09:27:42 AM »
brilliant, we have a new chairman/woman here. with his/her spelling and grammer knowledge and understanding of the rules of the Gaelic Athletic Association he can make Antrim a force to be reckoned with ;D

i'm sure there are valid reasons for all of those transfers who are you to give off about players moving, from club to club

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Re: Antrim Football Thread
« Reply #1382 on: September 07, 2007, 09:50:03 AM »
brilliant, we have a new chairman/woman here. with his/her spelling and grammer knowledge and understanding of the rules of the Gaelic Athletic Association he can make Antrim a force to be reckoned with ;D

i'm sure there are valid reasons for all of those transfers who are you to give off about players moving, from club to club
Humour me then, give me a valid reason for any of the transfers I've mentioned.  Fall outs and ambitions to play at a higher level are not valid reasons.

It's grammar, by the way.
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« Reply #1383 on: September 07, 2007, 09:51:37 AM »

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It's grammar, by the way.
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« Reply #1384 on: September 07, 2007, 10:16:35 AM »
The Grahams started at Rossa - moved to Cushendun - and then moved back.

My opinion is the reason we have all these transfers within the county is because of the city. Realistically Derry is the only other city in ulster and there isn't much gaelic in there which is why there isn't that problem there or in the rest of ulster. Dublin has a significantly worse problem than antrim in this regard. Look at the transfers they talk about.

There are some small clubs in Belfast - who are doing well to progress - but players see successful clubs right on their doorstep and to try and gain success etc. they move there. I would also see the reason of less loyalty in city clubs as a big reason. Most of your transfers are notably among city clubs. Then for some small clubs there aren't even conceivable gaps between the areas they mingle in and the areas of the bigger clubs which their players can go too. In the country your next club is x miles away so in terms of who you mingle with etc. it's a bigger problem.

You also seem to have a chip on your shoulder about galls sam. Any reason for this?

McQuillan was for personal reasons - he's different. Craig - are you sure about his transfer? Craig has played for cargin as long as i've known and as far as i know his family is from cargin.






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Re: Antrim Football Thread
« Reply #1385 on: September 07, 2007, 10:16:49 AM »
I couldn't give a flying f@ck who you actually are SS.

It is completely a subjective issue.
In MOST cases there are valid reasons why players move clubs...it doesn't happen too often in practice (the stats may show it might happen in Antrim more than others) but when it does as a paying member of the GAA, whose rules we are subject to and generally abide by a player should have the right to present his case and it be heard.

If its "I want to move to St Galls/Cargin/Rossa(hurling) as I fancy a trophy" then I have some sympathy for your argument.
If its because:
  • Due to a family fall out no one in the team speaks to the fella.
    You have moved 60/70/80 miles away from home and can't travel due to work/family.
    I'm sure there are other examples.
then your argument however catered for in the rule book should fall by the wayside.

The GAA generally needs to look after the common every day player.
The most important was of doing this is by giving the common every day player more fixtures (the ongoing debate).
BUT it should look at the grievances of that player where they have some, which is often fall out with clubs/practicalities of playing.

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Re: Antrim Football Thread
« Reply #1386 on: September 07, 2007, 10:18:39 AM »
I tried to get all fancy with the bullet points...roll on the abuse from Principal SS (or should that be principle?!)

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Re: Antrim Football Thread
« Reply #1387 on: September 07, 2007, 03:09:15 PM »
The Grahams started at Rossa - moved to Cushendun - and then moved back.

My opinion is the reason we have all these transfers within the county is because of the city. Realistically Derry is the only other city in ulster and there isn't much gaelic in there which is why there isn't that problem there or in the rest of ulster. Dublin has a significantly worse problem than antrim in this regard. Look at the transfers they talk about.

There are some small clubs in Belfast - who are doing well to progress - but players see successful clubs right on their doorstep and to try and gain success etc. they move there. I would also see the reason of less loyalty in city clubs as a big reason. Most of your transfers are notably among city clubs. Then for some small clubs there aren't even conceivable gaps between the areas they mingle in and the areas of the bigger clubs which their players can go too. In the country your next club is x miles away so in terms of who you mingle with etc. it's a bigger problem.

You also seem to have a chip on your shoulder about galls sam. Any reason for this?

McQuillan was for personal reasons - he's different. Craig - are you sure about his transfer? Craig has played for cargin as long as i've known and as far as i know his family is from cargin.


They must have been about 5 when they were at Rossa, i remember them playing U-16 for St Pats (an underage amalgamation of Glenariffe/Cushendun). They also won a minor county championship with St Pats.

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Re: Antrim Football Thread
« Reply #1388 on: September 07, 2007, 03:16:40 PM »
They did start at Rossa alright but were quite young when they were there. I heard the da (the handball man whose name I can't remember) stopped them from moving back to Rossa on numerous occasions before the eventual move.


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« Reply #1389 on: September 07, 2007, 03:18:40 PM »
They did start at Rossa alright but were quite young when they were there. I heard the da (the handball man whose name I can't remember) stopped them from moving back to Rossa on numerous occasions before the eventual move.

Seamus Graham is said handball fella.

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« Reply #1390 on: September 07, 2007, 03:19:49 PM »
That's the one!


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Re: Antrim Football Thread
« Reply #1391 on: September 08, 2007, 03:29:41 PM »
Maneely Mc Cann Minor Championship Final
Rossa  3-5  2-5 Sarsfields


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« Reply #1392 on: September 08, 2007, 08:02:25 PM »
Maneely Mc Cann Minor Championship Final
Rossa  3-5  2-5 Sarsfields

When i was walking into Casement last night before the Minor hurling final some of the dejected Sarsfields players were walking out, one was telling a few of his mates what particular assortment of beverages he had in his kitbag for the night ahead (none were isotonic), good to see such meticulous preparation for a big match at such a tender age.

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Re: Antrim Football Thread
« Reply #1393 on: September 11, 2007, 12:28:14 AM »
Milltownrow-is it true that you kicked Ballinderry's ass in a friendly game on Sunday?

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« Reply #1394 on: September 11, 2007, 08:36:39 AM »
we won by 2 points in a meaningless friendly, few boys missing from us and mcGuckin missing for Ballinderry.