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Insane Bolt

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Re: Bloody Sunday killings to be ruled unlawful
« Reply #375 on: March 14, 2019, 05:07:40 PM »
The other soldiers can be prosecuted for perjury.....but a liar as opposed to a murderer just isnít justice.

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Re: Bloody Sunday killings to be ruled unlawful
« Reply #376 on: March 14, 2019, 05:09:00 PM »
Stupid question and Iím sure a million people will jump down my neck but here goes:

If we re-open and investigate army personnel for incidents that occurred during the troubles, what if  the authorities re-opened and investigated incidents involving Republicans during the troubles?

Is this not a two way street?

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Re: Bloody Sunday killings to be ruled unlawful
« Reply #377 on: March 14, 2019, 05:23:19 PM »
Stupid question and Iím sure a million people will jump down my neck but here goes:

If we re-open and investigate army personnel for incidents that occurred during the troubles, what if  the authorities re-opened and investigated incidents involving Republicans during the troubles?

Is this not a two way street?

Do you honestly think if there wasnít evidence to charge any Republican for a Troubles related incident threat it wouldnít be prosecuted. This prosecution is the minimal amount that should be happening. These were state sponsored killings with direct cover ups. The notion that this may open up the door for Republican prosecutions is naive.

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Re: Bloody Sunday killings to be ruled unlawful
« Reply #378 on: March 14, 2019, 05:31:36 PM »
Stupid question and Iím sure a million people will jump down my neck but here goes:

If we re-open and investigate army personnel for incidents that occurred during the troubles, what if  the authorities re-opened and investigated incidents involving Republicans during the troubles?

Is this not a two way street?

Thousands of thousands of republicans and loyalists did time in prison.  Onlya handful of British army terrorists have gone to jail.

The Brits covered all murder up, directed loyalist death squads etc. etc.

The question is who is really surprised by this?  Especially in the light of Bradley's recent remarks and the DUP's close relationship with the Tory party.

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Re: Bloody Sunday killings to be ruled unlawful
« Reply #379 on: March 14, 2019, 05:33:24 PM »
Stupid question and Iím sure a million people will jump down my neck but here goes:

If we re-open and investigate army personnel for incidents that occurred during the troubles, what if  the authorities re-opened and investigated incidents involving Republicans during the troubles?

Is this not a two way street?

Do you honestly think if there wasnít evidence to charge any Republican for a Troubles related incident threat it wouldnít be prosecuted. This prosecution is the minimal amount that should be happening. These were state sponsored killings with direct cover ups. The notion that this may open up the door for Republican prosecutions is naive.

I donít know....thatís why Iím asking

How many Republicans have been charged/convicted of involvement in incidents during the troubles since the GFA?

Does the PSNI have a cold case team actively working on unsolved incidents from during the troubles?

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Re: Bloody Sunday killings to be ruled unlawful
« Reply #380 on: March 14, 2019, 05:35:39 PM »
Stupid question and Iím sure a million people will jump down my neck but here goes:

If we re-open and investigate army personnel for incidents that occurred during the troubles, what if  the authorities re-opened and investigated incidents involving Republicans during the troubles?

Is this not a two way street?

Is it not happening though?

So the GFA comes into play when people have been convicted etc but if there were no convictions then some cases have been reopened and there have been prosecutions?

Someone has to drive reopening things too from what I can see and it's the victims families. It would take the law to put some money into it to do this (in a very active way I mean).

There are still cases from time to time of things that happened in the troubles.


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Re: Bloody Sunday killings to be ruled unlawful
« Reply #382 on: March 14, 2019, 06:48:13 PM »
Stupid question and Iím sure a million people will jump down my neck but here goes:

If we re-open and investigate army personnel for incidents that occurred during the troubles, what if  the authorities re-opened and investigated incidents involving Republicans during the troubles?

Is this not a two way street?

Yeah definitely a stupid question. No place on this thread. Shame on you

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Re: Bloody Sunday killings to be ruled unlawful
« Reply #383 on: March 14, 2019, 07:04:26 PM »
Stupid question and Iím sure a million people will jump down my neck but here goes:

If we re-open and investigate army personnel for incidents that occurred during the troubles, what if  the authorities re-opened and investigated incidents involving Republicans during the troubles?

Is this not a two way street?

Is it not happening though?

So the GFA comes into play when people have been convicted etc but if there were no convictions then some cases have been reopened and there have been prosecutions?

Someone has to drive reopening things too from what I can see and it's the victims families. It would take the law to put some money into it to do this (in a very active way I mean).

There are still cases from time to time of things that happened in the troubles.
There is a world of difference between state sanctioned murder /oppression  and other related violence.
There is and was a mechanism to deal with all other violence but none in practice  to protect the citizen from the state.
And seeing as all and sundry knew the paras murdered 14 and injured more in broad daylight, look how long it has taken to bring one person to face a trial? See how the mechanism of the  state shamelessly protected  the crime for decades, attacked the citizens and criminalized them as guilty after disposing of their lives.

My gripe on this matter re  the killer alphabet paras,, is  that they are far less culpable for the crimes than the chiefs who gave the orders.
As Bradley put it, they were acting under orders but they have to bear the brunt of the rap.

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Re: Bloody Sunday killings to be ruled unlawful
« Reply #384 on: March 14, 2019, 08:52:37 PM »
Correct - this will be the last attempt at any prosecution.  Everyone else gets off....probably already promised to the DUP.
I wonder if they have picked a pasty who will probably be deemed unfit to stand trial due to age/illness ie another whitewash.

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« Reply #385 on: March 14, 2019, 09:16:17 PM »
Correct - this will be the last attempt at any prosecution.  Everyone else gets off....probably already promised to the DUP.
I wonder if they have picked a pasty who will probably be deemed unfit to stand trial due to age/illness ie another whitewash.

Going by what I've read he's the best chance of getting a conviction. He's the most involved of the ones still living. Shot something like 8 people I think.

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« Reply #386 on: March 14, 2019, 10:42:55 PM »
Correct - this will be the last attempt at any prosecution.  Everyone else gets off....probably already promised to the DUP.
I wonder if they have picked a pasty who will probably be deemed unfit to stand trial due to age/illness ie another whitewash.

Going by what I've read he's the best chance of getting a conviction. He's the most involved of the ones still living. Shot something like 8 people I think.
Slap it up him. And I of course meant patsy which autocorrected as pasty  8)

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Re: Bloody Sunday killings to be ruled unlawful
« Reply #387 on: March 15, 2019, 10:03:09 AM »
Correct - this will be the last attempt at any prosecution.  Everyone else gets off....probably already promised to the DUP.
I wonder if they have picked a pasty who will probably be deemed unfit to stand trial due to age/illness ie another whitewash.

Did I hear correctly the British Government will pick up his legal tab?

If so, you can be sure this will not be a lengthy process.


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Re: Bloody Sunday killings to be ruled unlawful
« Reply #389 on: March 15, 2019, 10:42:14 AM »
The government committed to funding legal defence of prosecuted quite some time ago. That's not news.

It's right that they do, given they were agents of the state on the day. If you think they should be responsible for their own defence, it follows that you think these were individuals acting alone and their superiors should bear no responsibility.
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