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« Reply #36150 on: March 30, 2017, 08:32:10 AM »
dont know much about this tournament so dont agree or disagree with you.

How does this tourney halt club action.?

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« Reply #36151 on: March 30, 2017, 09:11:27 AM »
dont know much about this tournament so dont agree or disagree with you.

How does this tourney halt club action.?

Players removed from their clubs to play it in or train for development squads.

It's left several Club guys I spoke to last night having to cancel sessions - or merge U14/16/minor teams to get enough lads for sessions - which caused knock on issues itself.

What stuck me was that exactly the same predicament was being repeated by a range of clubs.

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« Reply #36152 on: March 30, 2017, 09:37:31 AM »


Players removed from their clubs to play it in or train for development squads.

It's left several Club guys I spoke to last night having to cancel sessions - or merge U14/16/minor teams to get enough lads for sessions - which caused knock on issues itself.

What stuck me was that exactly the same predicament was being repeated by a range of clubs.

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Was at the game myself.  As far as I know the maximum any club had represented was 4 and that "impacted" 2 clubs.  Most clubs had 1 or 2 players on the panel which looked like had c 30 players in total with 15 clubs represented.  So the facts don't seem to back up your anecdotal/hearsay comments.  "Several clubs needing to merge u14/u16/minor" for training when they have 1 or 2 players (max of 4 - again only impacted 2 clubs) getting exposure to a level of hurling which is a step up from the normal club game/session.  If these clubs are having difficulties with numbers for sessions its a tad disingenuous to pin the blame on the u17 development squad, thats what the facts tell me!

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« Reply #36153 on: March 30, 2017, 09:47:33 AM »


Players removed from their clubs to play it in or train for development squads.

It's left several Club guys I spoke to last night having to cancel sessions - or merge U14/16/minor teams to get enough lads for sessions - which caused knock on issues itself.

What stuck me was that exactly the same predicament was being repeated by a range of clubs.


Was at the game myself.  As far as I know the maximum any club had represented was 4 and that "impacted" 2 clubs.  Most clubs had 1 or 2 players on the panel which looked like had c 30 players in total with 15 clubs represented.  So the facts don't seem to back up your anecdotal/hearsay comments.  "Several clubs needing to merge u14/u16/minor" for training when they have 1 or 2 players (max of 4 - again only impacted 2 clubs) getting exposure to a level of hurling which is a step up from the normal club game/session.  If these clubs are having difficulties with numbers for sessions its a tad disingenuous to pin the blame on the u17 development squad, thats what the facts tell me!
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« Reply #36154 on: March 30, 2017, 10:08:04 AM »


Players removed from their clubs to play it in or train for development squads.

It's left several Club guys I spoke to last night having to cancel sessions - or merge U14/16/minor teams to get enough lads for sessions - which caused knock on issues itself.

What stuck me was that exactly the same predicament was being repeated by a range of clubs.


Was at the game myself.  As far as I know the maximum any club had represented was 4 and that "impacted" 2 clubs.  Most clubs had 1 or 2 players on the panel which looked like had c 30 players in total with 15 clubs represented.  So the facts don't seem to back up your anecdotal/hearsay comments.  "Several clubs needing to merge u14/u16/minor" for training when they have 1 or 2 players (max of 4 - again only impacted 2 clubs) getting exposure to a level of hurling which is a step up from the normal club game/session.  If these clubs are having difficulties with numbers for sessions its a tad disingenuous to pin the blame on the u17 development squad, thats what the facts tell me!
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Oh dear.
The original point was broader than the game lasts night - it was about development squads in general.
Also I didn't provide any anecdotal or hearsay evidence - I commented on conversations I had with club men involved in underage setups - and asked if others agreed.


It wasn't a bad game at all but was one too sided to be competitive from the early stages - but a good evening out for a walk!

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« Reply #36155 on: March 30, 2017, 10:22:29 AM »
but would it not be the same throughout development squads, if not then only a certain maximum number should be allowed from one club, this really shouldnt impact club training to the extent it needs cancelled.

i know in our club, age groups need to join up for training anyway due to the overlap of players.

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« Reply #36156 on: March 30, 2017, 10:40:28 AM »
but would it not be the same throughout development squads, if not then only a certain maximum number should be allowed from one club, this really shouldnt impact club training to the extent it needs cancelled.

i know in our club, age groups need to join up for training anyway due to the overlap of players.

Yes I'd agree with the maximum number from any club - I don't know if such a rule exists.
That's why I was asking about it.
I also think they county development squads maybe could have a set number from lower achieving clubs.

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« Reply #36157 on: March 30, 2017, 11:17:51 AM »
In isolation from any argument about how well and what development squads are achieving.... there is no reason why a reduced club panel can't get a decent session done.

A lot of dual players in Antrim squads, so I hope there's sensible men not setting unrealistic training expectations whenever the club competitions start.

Side note: It would be nice to know if there was any contriteness shown by those who went to Tennents Vital and abandoned their team mates sitting on the bus last August, or did someone go cap in hand to them again purely because of their undoubted talented ( I can hear the words... "acchhh theyre only kids ffs " echoing in my ears) 
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« Reply #36158 on: March 30, 2017, 11:30:28 AM »
Add in stag weekends and Christenings marragies and the other heap of excuses used by players/clubs during the season never mind before the season starts!! Honestly btdgtt i think you are on the wind up!
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« Reply #36159 on: March 30, 2017, 05:45:30 PM »
Add in stag weekends and Christenings marragies and the other heap of excuses used by players/clubs during the season never mind before the season starts!! Honestly btdgtt i think you are on the wind up!

Jeeezus.
The point was made to me by club coaches that they can't get their teams properly prepared due to so many away so much of them with development squads.
There was also a question as to what is actually coming from these squads.
Not being an underage coach I asked on here what the general feeling was.
Maybe the Boyos were just making it up then.

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« Reply #36160 on: March 30, 2017, 08:18:28 PM »
Add in stag weekends and Christenings marragies and the other heap of excuses used by players/clubs during the season never mind before the season starts!! Honestly btdgtt i think you are on the wind up!

Jeeezus.
The point was made to me by club coaches that they can't get their teams properly prepared due to so many away so much of them with development squads.
There was also a question as to what is actually coming from these squads.
Not being an underage coach I asked on here what the general feeling was.
Maybe the Boyos were just making it up then.

It's about striking a balance with progressing lads within your own club and developing them further within a county set up, which will be working at a higher level with a greater need to improve hurling all round.... these things can only bring on players which in turn can improve a club team... or am I missing something ??
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« Reply #36161 on: March 30, 2017, 10:49:22 PM »
Add in stag weekends and Christenings marragies and the other heap of excuses used by players/clubs during the season never mind before the season starts!! Honestly btdgtt i think you are on the wind up!

Jeeezus.
The point was made to me by club coaches that they can't get their teams properly prepared due to so many away so much of them with development squads.
There was also a question as to what is actually coming from these squads.
Not being an underage coach I asked on here what the general feeling was.
Maybe the Boyos were just making it up then.

It's about striking a balance with progressing lads within your own club and developing them further within a county set up, which will be working at a higher level with a greater need to improve hurling all round.... these things can only bring on players which in turn can improve a club team... or am I missing something ??

No your not missing anything.
If that's what's happening then we'd all be delighted.
But judging my the conversations I had at the game that not what everyone believes is the case.
Questions:
Are our underage/development squads improving in relative to other comparative counties?
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Are our club hurling leagues at underage level improving in standard?

I don't know or profess to know the answers - hence my post asking!


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« Reply #36162 on: March 30, 2017, 11:34:51 PM »
So you don't think club players should attend development set ups??

Because based on your chat with all the underage coaches it's causing the club scene at underage (it's still March) to fall apart?
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« Reply #36163 on: March 31, 2017, 07:21:18 AM »
MR we all im sure want Antrim hurling at all levels to rise. Theres nothing wrong IMO with anyone whos questioning new initiatives and for us all to have a perspective rather than blindly think the upper echelons have every players interest in mind. There could be negatives that aren't being spotted.
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« Reply #36164 on: March 31, 2017, 08:03:38 AM »
MR we all im sure want Antrim hurling at all levels to rise. Theres nothing wrong IMO with anyone whos questioning new initiatives and for us all to have a perspective rather than blindly think the upper echelons have every players interest in mind. There could be negatives that aren't being spotted.

So continuing to do what we've been doing will continue to give us the same results, there's no blindly following here, give the initiative it's run and if tweaks here and there need applied then do it... the coaches that btdtgtt was talking to probably only interested in their own interests, which is understandable as I've managed at all levels within my club and questioned a lot of things the county did, relating mainly to fixture conjestion....

But it seems again that being negative on here is the norm.... he has said himself he's not coached but happy enough to voice opinion on it without actually having experience of it!
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