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General discussion / Re: Man Utd Thread:
« on: May 22, 2019, 11:01:56 AM »
The most important day of the year today, the shareholder's conference call, 1PM Irish time

https://services.choruscall.com/links/manchester1905163IwPSAkZ.html

It will contain this line Net debt as of 31 March 2019 was £301.7 million, an increase of £0.4 million over the year. The gross USD debt principal remains unchanged.

Who gives a f**k about the debt. It not as if it's coming out of your pocket. What's 300 million nowadays anyway? Couple of tours of China and that be covered.

Not much point in some of the lads in here crying about City and their financial outlay when Utd have been in debt for a decade. Both just as bad if we are being honest - just one is seen as acceptable.

Taking on debt in itself is not an issue. All successful companies generally use debt to maximise their returns. It only becomes a problem when the company cannot pay that debt which is not a material consideration for United. I do see the United fans reasons for being pissed off with the Glazers as so much cashflow over the last decade has gone to service the debt. Unfortunately there is nothing you can do as it is a business and the fans dont own it, the shareholders do.  Plenty of shareholders sold to the Glazers at the time because the price made sense and the Glazers were then  able to force through a highly leveraged buy out and they have made a fortune off the back of this. Thats one of the dangers of being publicly listed on the stock exchange, you do not necessarily get to choose who makes a play for you.

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General discussion / Re: Game of Thrones - Spoilers
« on: May 21, 2019, 10:43:19 AM »
All done and dusted then. 5 survivors from episode 1 to the last Episode, the Starks and Tyrion.

All in all  I thought it was a reasonable wrap up. There were parts of it that were a bit "meh" (Jamie's golden hand in the rubble.. ::) ::)) but it did bring most storylines together. John killing Dany had been widely predicted (prophesised?) but I thought there might have been one major twist somewhere which just didnt happen. As an overall comment I thought the fewer but longer episodes format  did not work in the last two series. An awful lot seemed to happen off screen the last two seasons and some really good character stories  suffered as a result. Bronn and Varys spring to mind immediately.

Arya looks like she will get her spinoff at some point and the prequels should be good watching.

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General discussion / Re: Game of Thrones - Spoilers
« on: May 15, 2019, 07:11:08 PM »
Tab clear, keep this up and I tell you the end before Sunday for pure badness. There's a warning for the spoilers on the thread after all

Huh? The warning is that there are Spoilers in the thread? If you have any info on the ending get yourself down the bookies  ;) ;)

https://www.nme.com/news/tv/heres-what-betting-odds-are-predicting-for-the-game-of-thrones-finale-2488183

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General discussion / Re: Game of Thrones - Spoilers
« on: May 15, 2019, 11:26:59 AM »
Saw this listed on a website. Even giving it a bye ball for certain things on the basis its a fantasy show, it highlights a few major internal inconsistencies from this episode.

1. Did Varys try to poison Daenerys?
2. Where did Varys send those letters?
3. What happened to Martha? Is Martha still alive?
4. How did Daenerys and her dragon sneak up on the Golden Company and burst through the walls of King’s Landing from the inside?
5. Since when did Tyrion become such a complete idiot? Why does he continue to appeal to Cersei’s good nature when she’s tried to kill him a dozen times?
6. Why are those scorpions worthless all of a sudden?
7. If Drogon could to do that much damage to one city, despite about 20 scorpions aimed at him, then why were the dragons functionally useless against the White Walkers?
8. In the end, what even was the point of including the Golden Company in this show?
9. How does dragonfire destroy a fortified stone wall? Does it come out with enough force to actually explode the ramparts of King’s Landing?
10. What was the point of Arya even going to King’s Landing?
11. Why burn a city to the ground that you’re trying to take?
12. Why kill everyone in King’s Landing to hurt Cersei when Cersei made it very clear she doesn’t care about anyone in King’s Landing?
13. How did that horse survive all the destruction?
14. How did Arya survive the attack?
15. How did Arya and Jaime and The Hound—three very recognizable people—so easily sneak into the impenetrable Red Keep?
16. Where did Jaime and the Hound get their matching hooded cloaks? Why are Westerosi soldiers so bad at looking under hoods?
17. If it’s that easy to get into the Red Keep why not just assassinate Cersei?
18. If Cersei’s only motivation was to protect her child, then why did she not seem to have any battle strategy whatsoever?
19. Why didn’t Cersei know the Iron Fleet had been burned? Shouldn’t she have been keeping track of that kind of stuff?
20. Why didn’t Cersei actually do anything with her wildfire? Wouldn’t that have been useful?
21. Why didn’t she have an escape plan prepared for herself and her unborn child?
22. Or why not just fly to the top of the Red Keep, assassinate Cersei with the dragon and end the war in a matter of minutes?
23. How did Euron find Jaime? What was his character motivation in trying to kill Jaime other than for writers to give him another Deus Ex Machina moment?
24. Was the Valonqar prophecy wrong?
25. What happened to the Prince That Was Promised prophecy?
26. Or the Azor Ahai prophecy?
27. Was Varys Dany’s Third Betrayal? Was Tyrion her fourth? How many betrayals has she had anyway?
28. Were all of these nothing? Or will they come into play in the final episode?
29. Wouldn’t it be far more satisfying to get revenge by killing Cersei personally rather than slaughtering a bunch of innocent people for no reason?
30. Why did The Undead Mountain look like a moldy, bloated Varys?
31. Who rang the bells?
32. Sup with Bran rn?
33. What are Sansa and Bran and Brienne and everyone doing back at Winterfell?
34. Does Arya’s horse have some special significance? Or is it just a horse?
35. Will Dany just be queen of the ashes?
36. Why didn’t Jon do anything at all in this battle or in trying to talk some sense into Dany? Or is he just so stupid and stubborn that he believed she was fine?
37. Is Dany still Jon’s queen?
38. Why was Missandei’s shackle literally her only possession? All these years of travel and she never picked up a book or keepsake? Did she have a change of clothes even?
39. Did the Mountain die, or is he just a well-done zombie now?
40. Where was Gendry?
41. Who took the time to light all those torches in the secret escape tunnels in the Red Keep?
4. Why was Cersei so sad that Jaime was hurt after she just sent an assassin to kill him?
43. Why did they put Davos in the front line of the battle? He old.
44. How did Cersei communicate a surrender to her peeps from all the way up in the tower?
45. Is the Iron Throne still standing or did it get destroyed with everything else?
46. Will Dragonstone be the new seat of power in Westeros?
47. Does this mean we now have to root for Jon to kill Dany?
48. Will Dany kill Tyrion now because he let Jaime escape? Does she even know he escaped? And why was it so easy for him to escape?
49. Why not make this season twice the number of episodes, scale back the massive, unnecessary production values and actually tell a story that fans deserve? Why not give Daenerys at least a few more episodes to show her descent into madness instead of flipping a switch on her?
50. Does this mean we have to wait however many years it takes George R.R. Martin to finish writing his damn books to get a worthwhile conclusion to this story?

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General discussion / Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread
« on: May 14, 2019, 09:33:28 PM »
Anyone that thinks that song is disrespecting Sean Cox needs their heads read, a bunch of young lads high on adrenaline after winning the league celebrating a bit too boisterously. City will now release a pointless statement deflecting blame.

The social media age of outrage  ::)

Exactly. “Professional footballers not the brightest” shock. Not the best choice of song  but trying to link it to Sean Cox is ridiculous. The bollox that recorded it though should have his phone shoved up his arse sideways. (Along with every other fuckwit who feels the need to record and share every f**king moment on social media)

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General discussion / Re: Game of Thrones - Spoilers
« on: May 14, 2019, 04:29:26 PM »
The show is wrapping up. Storylines are finally coming to an end.  I don't really see it as being rushed.  I would much prefer this process to dragging out a few more series to make a few quid and the whole thing becoming a pile of sh*te.... see the walking dead as a prime example.

Or Lost, that ending really grated with me!

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General discussion / Re: Game of Thrones - Spoilers
« on: May 14, 2019, 07:21:12 AM »
Sure the ending already out. I the last 3 espiodes went excately as previously leaked.The ending going to have no body happy. Think I could written better myself.

GoT is suffering to an extent from the high standards it set itself in the early series. It is becoming increasingly apparent that since the divergence from the books source material the writers are struggling to mintain the standard. I dont think the smaller number of episodes and having all the main characters in the same place has helped either. Its still very watchable but just not as good as previously.

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General discussion / Re: Game of Thrones - Spoilers
« on: May 13, 2019, 10:36:54 PM »
I’ve been really disappointed with this series. Far too much focus on the visuals and too little to the storylines. Cleganebowl was straight out of a poor Hollywood movie. The early series were brilliant due to the intricacies of the stories and the plot twists. This series much more predicable.

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« on: May 13, 2019, 03:47:56 PM »
I know he tracked back but I didn't think Cavanagh played as an out and out sweeper when he came on. He did look a little of the pace with a recent injury possibly holding him back. We can be very quick to write players off when they're over 30 if they have a bad game. I'd say if he can get himself fit he'll be more than worth his place on the team. He's the kind of physical presence the team needs so hopefully he can get a run at it.

What age is Colm, 34? Once you get over a certain age its not fitness (as in endurance) that is the problem, its the sharpness/pace that goes and at the highest level you cannot compensate for that regardless of how much training you do. Obviously the type of role he plays will have a bearing on how long he is able to compete for and that sweeping role is probably well suited to an "older" player.

I'd say he's around 32. No reason he can't still compete around midfield if fully fit.
Only 31 going by the program yesterday. Making his debut during the 2007 season.

Owe him an apology then, not quite ready to be pensioned off just yet! I did not realise there was as big a gap between him and Sean. From experience its typically around the 33/34 mark when you tend to see a noticeable change in players mobility, assuming they are keeping themselves in shape and training etc.

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« on: May 13, 2019, 03:16:08 PM »
I know he tracked back but I didn't think Cavanagh played as an out and out sweeper when he came on. He did look a little of the pace with a recent injury possibly holding him back. We can be very quick to write players off when they're over 30 if they have a bad game. I'd say if he can get himself fit he'll be more than worth his place on the team. He's the kind of physical presence the team needs so hopefully he can get a run at it.

What age is Colm, 34? Once you get over a certain age its not fitness (as in endurance) that is the problem, its the sharpness/pace that goes and at the highest level you cannot compensate for that regardless of how much training you do. Obviously the type of role he plays will have a bearing on how long he is able to compete for and that sweeping role is probably well suited to an "older" player.

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General discussion / Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread
« on: May 12, 2019, 07:56:50 PM »
MR2, I’m fairly sure you know the point I was making about this City “team”. City have racked up 198 points in 2 years, that is phenomenal. United had a couple of great teams over the period but could they have lived with this current city team? In my opinion I don’t think so. But That’s subjective and it’s like  the Pele vs Messi vs Maradona debate of trying to compare over different eras. In any case the village idiot has probably has made his first valid point on this board in that City had to get 98 points this year because they were pushed all the way. Thats highly unusual given the points they won.


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General discussion / Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread
« on: May 12, 2019, 07:28:12 PM »
Best premier league team would be Utd, just on titles that is

Most successful club. They had multiple “teams” that typically evolve and refresh over 3-4 years. This city team (2017-19) has bettered their league achievement s domestically by a distance two years in a row.

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General discussion / Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread
« on: May 12, 2019, 07:19:42 PM »
Bit of an anticlimax today. Great season but unfortunately just ran into possibly the greatest team ever in the premier league era. A playmaking number ten and some backup upfront, possibly from Brewster depending on his development and we should be challenging again next year. Problem is that city could easily do the same again so no margin for error. Looking at the age profile of the team if we can hold onto everyone we should be right up there for a couple of years.

Small matter of the cl final as consolation as well!

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General discussion / Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread
« on: May 09, 2019, 02:03:28 PM »
Final will be a toss up. Two evenly matched teams who will be well rested and probably at close to full strength if kane is back.

I was asked an interesting question today, would most Liverpool and City fans happily swap positions now i.e. Liverpool with the league in their own hands on the final day and City in the CL final. For me definitely. Great to be in the CL final but the league was always the priority, irrespective of how momentous the Barca match was. I suspect more than a few City fans would have the same view.



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