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GAA Discussion / Re: The Sunday Game
« on: June 17, 2019, 09:04:35 PM »
I thought Rory Gallagher was really good on the live show. They should have him on more regularly and hopefully he'll stop managing intercounty teams!

GAA Discussion / Re: Ros v Galway Connacht Final 2019
« on: June 16, 2019, 06:12:46 PM »
Strange that Kevin Walsh took off Cooke as well and replaced him with a much smaller guy in Kelly. No surprise Roscommon got a bit of a hold around midfield towards the end of the game.

GAA Discussion / Re: Ros v Galway Connacht Final 2019
« on: June 16, 2019, 05:29:39 PM »
Why was Michael Daly taken off?

GAA Discussion / Re: Down versus Mayo
« on: June 15, 2019, 12:41:46 PM »
Not on TV.

Another rumour doing the rounds this morning unfortunately...  :-[

Sligo are effectively already qualified for the semi final regardless of what happens next week in their game as Mayo can’t improve on 4 points and Sligo have the edge in that head to head.
Realistically the chance of Galway not beating Leitrim is slim.

So basically Sligo have little incentive to go and beat Roscommon next week, which is bad news for us unfortunately.

GAA Discussion / Re: Down versus Mayo
« on: June 11, 2019, 02:16:19 PM »
FFS who decided on that throw in time?

GAA Discussion / Re: Football qualifier route 2019
« on: June 09, 2019, 12:34:31 AM »
Wouldn't fancy going up to Derry for our qualifier. Think them and the winner of Monaghan/Fermanagh are the ones to avoid.

GAA Discussion / Re: Attendances
« on: June 02, 2019, 08:30:10 PM »
Football semi-finals in Munster had 3128 at Cork/Limerick and 5037 at Clare/Kerry.

Having both clashing with the champions league final wasn't the wisest decision.

GAA Discussion / Re: Would you be in favour of a second tier?
« on: June 02, 2019, 05:50:51 PM »
Armagh v Cavan sounds like a classic on the radio as well!

GAA Discussion / Re: Would you be in favour of a second tier?
« on: June 02, 2019, 05:03:13 PM »
The football championship has been far better than the hurling so far. The football leagues were also miles better than the hurling equivalent. The difference is the hurling pundits will never criticise their sport. Unlike the football pundits who keep pushing the 2nd/3rd tier agenda which makes the general public think there is nothing positive going on in the sport.

GAA Discussion / Re: Maigh Eo v Ros Comáin 25-5-19
« on: May 29, 2019, 04:57:19 PM »
Did anyone else see the double hop before Andy Moran took a pass and kicked a point? 
Seeing as were being pedantic
did any one see the rossies acting like scumbags just before half time .
though of course Gough not a clue what to do booked 2  from either side , at least 3 ros players should have walked

Scumbags 🤣🤣🤣

When has a Ros player being sent off for a disgusting elbow into the face or a punch into the balls?

Fintan cregg on Diarmuid O'Connor in the 2017 quarter final?

GAA Discussion / Re: Maigh Eo v Ros Comáin 25-5-19
« on: May 26, 2019, 12:24:13 AM »
Following Mayo would add years to you.  :-\

It's crazy the amount of basic things cost us over and over again. Handing goals to the opposition on a plate, no decent free taker when Cillian isn't there and in previous years petulant red cards. If I was managing an U16 team they would be the things I'd get right first.

Our 3 established forwards were very poor. Didn't expect Darren Coen to be so good in fairness to him. We cleaned up in midfield mainly due to Aidan and Ruane showed well too. Durcan very good and Boland stood up in the 2nd half after a quiet opening. Can't really pick anyone else out on our side.

Best of luck to the Rossies in the final.

GAA Discussion / Re: Maigh Eo v Ros Comáin 25-5-19
« on: May 23, 2019, 02:18:47 PM »
Three changes for Mayo. 

Chris Barrett, Michael Plunkett & Diarmuid O'Connor come in and out go Colm Boyle, James McCormack & James Carr

1. Robert Hennelly - Breaffy
2. Chris Barrett - Belmullet
3. Brendan Harrison - Aghamore
4. Keith Higgins - Ballyhaunis
5. Patrick Durcan - Castlebar Mitchels
6. Michael Plunkett - Ballintubber
7. Lee Keegan - Westport
8. Matthew Ruane - Breaffy
9. Aidan O’Shea - Breaffy
10. Fergal Boland - Aghamore
11. Jason Doherty - Burrishoole
12. Diarmuid O'Connor - Ballintubber(C)
13. Evan Regan - Ballina Stephenites
14. Darren Coen - Hollymount/Carramore
15. Kevin McLoughlin - Knockmore

Roscommon unchanged

1. Darren O'Malley - Michael Glaveys
2. David Murray - Padraig Pearses
3. Sean Mullooly - Strokestown
4. Conor Daly - Padraig Pearses
5. Niall Daly - Padraig Pearses
6. Conor Hussey - Michael Glaveys
7. Ronan Daly - Padraig Pearses
8. Tadgh O'Rourke - Tulsk
9. Shane Killoran - Elphin
10. Hubert Darcy - Padraig Pearses
11. Cathal Cregg - Western Gaels (C)
12. Niall Kilroy - Fuerty
13. Ultan Harney - Clann na nGael
14. Conor Cox - Listowel Emmet's
15. Diarmuid Murtagh - St Faithleachs

Would like to see James Carr in the FF line ahead of Regan or Coen but apart from that it's our strongest available team.

GAA Discussion / Re: Breheny's Big Ideas
« on: May 02, 2019, 07:32:57 PM »
I don't think the provincials should be dropped but the link between them and the all Ireland championship(s) needs to be broken. It's not right that Kerry, for example, can sleep walk into the last 8 year after year while Mayo could draw Galway in a Connacht quarter final and the loser will have to go through 4 rounds of qualifiers to reach the same stage.

Provincial championships should finish in mid June and then there should be a draw for an A and B all Ireland championship. I think two 16 team straight knockout competitions would be very exciting. There's no need to have a group stage.

GAA Discussion / Re: Mayo for Sam 2019
« on: April 05, 2019, 11:42:23 PM »
All-time top scorers
As of 3 September 2018

1  Colm Cooper  Kerry  23-283  352  85 games  2002-2017  4.1 
Cillian O'Connor  Mayo  23-272  341  48 games  2011-  7.1 
3  Mikey Sheehy  Kerry  29-205  292  49 games  1973-1988  6.0 
4  John Doyle  Kildare  8-260  284  67 games  1999-2014  4.2 
5  Padraig Joyce  Galway  12-229  265  66 games  1997-2012  4.0 
6   Bernard Brogan  Dublin  21-196  259  58 games  2006-  4.5 
7  Paddy Bradley  Derry  17-202  253  44 games  1999-2012  5.8 
8  Steven McDonnell  Armagh  18-197  251  67 games  1999-2011  3.7 
9   Maurice Fitzgerald  Kerry  12-205  241  45 games  1988-2001  5.4 
10  Brian Stafford  Meath  9-206  233  41 games  1986-1995  5.7 
11  Oisin McConville  Armagh  11-197  230  52 games  1994-2008  4.4 
12  Jimmy Keaveney  Dublin  15-182  227  42 games  1964-1980  5.4 
13  Peter Canavan  Tyrone  9-192  219  58 games  1989-2005  3.8 
14  Conor McManus  Monaghan  7-204  225  50 games  2007-  4.5 
15  Sean Cavanagh  Tyrone  9-181  208  89 games  2002-2017  2.3 
16  Colin Corkery  Cork  5-182  197  32 games  1993-2004  6.2 
17  Ross Munnelly  Laois  6-168  186  70 games  2003-  2.7 
18  Dean Rock  Dublin  8-173  197  36 games  2013-  5.4 
19  Dara O'Cinneide  Kerry  11-149  182  54 games  1995-2005  3.4 
20  Matt Connor  Offaly  13-142  181  26 games  1978-1984  7.0 
21  Pat Spillane  Kerry  19-123  180  56 games  1974-1991  3.2 

I find it laughable people think COC shouldn't be on the Mayo team personally. His scoring rate is phenomenal.

PS. Looking at that list, I really think Paddy Bradley wasn't as recognized as he should have been nationally as he was on a weaker side as opposed to some other forwards of that era.

I don't really understand this logic, O'Connor's scoring rate is phenomenal but when you look a bit behind the statistics, you'd find that a huge proportion of his scores come from dead balls around the 21 yard line.

I put up a graph earlier in the thread of his 2017 scoring tally from frees, he scored 27 points from frees around, inside on around the central area of the 20 metre line. They are gimmees even for an average club free taker.

A lot of people tend to want to argue different things about O'Connor, for me he is not a top level forward and I think pointing at his scoring record is weak because it is boosted enormously by the number of handy frees he converts.

As for Bradley he was a top level forward and was Derry's main man for years, if you marked Paddy Bradley out of a game, Derry weren't going to win and on many occasions teams sacrificed a few players for this and it still didn't work.

You'd swear Cillian is the only person who scores 21 yard frees. Gooch would have scored plenty of them in his day, as does Rock, Shane Walsh, McManus, McBrearty etc these days. Look at Sean O'Shea the last day. Scored 5 frees but missed the 2 most difficult ones he had. Accuracy tends to drop the further away from goal you go.

I didn't want to start naming names but since you brought up Conor McAliskey earlier, do you not remember the 2016 quarter final? Tyrone were every bit as good as us in general play but McAliskey and other Tyrone forwards couldn't score from play and missed several frees. Tyrone would have won the game easily if they had a forward of Cillian's calibre.

Again you're completely missing the point. Tyrone would not have won the game if they had a forward like O'Connor in my opinion. Our problems with frees have been generally we don't have a reliable free taker from long range, I think the stats suggest that O'Connor is fairly hit and miss from that range too. I think we have forwards who offer more from open play than O'Connor does but our style of play means they don't get the kind of service they would do with Mayo. He's a bit like how I would regard McCurry and McAliskey etc, good but not top level.

I brought up McAliskey earlier, I think he's a very good player and an important member of our squad, he was the second top scorer in championship football last season - both overall and from play. I wouldn't say he is a top level forward though, I'd probably have him over O'Connor given the choice as while he may not be as clinical a finisher, his movement is better, he shows for the ball more, has a better left foot and a bit more flair and pace about him. He didn't even get an all star nomination last year so that goes to show that scoring heavily for a county who goes to the end of the summer doesn't really say a lot.

It's lazy analysis to constantly point to the scoring charts when valid criticisms of O'Connor are brought to the fore, the vast bulk of O'Connor's scores would seem to be placed balls inside or around the central area of the 20 metre line on the pitch - they are gimmees for any decent, even average free taker. Mayo will always generate more of these frees than the vast majority of teams with the pace and direct nature of the game they play - so if Mayo perform at all then O'Connor is going to score a bucket load, regardless of how well or poorly he plays.

As for Tyrone's issue with frees, we don't have an issue with the handy 21 yard frees in front of the posts, we have plenty of players who can tap those over with their eyes closed. We have had an issue for a number of years with the long range frees, I don't think O'Connor really fares an awful lot better than our lads in that area though, it can be quite misleading though as I think in terms of proportion of frees, Mayo seem to get much more handy frees closer in to goal than Tyrone do due to the differing styles of play of both sides.

Rather than getting overly sensitive I think you need to be looking more objectively at what the criticisms proffered up are actually saying. Nobody is criticising him for scoring 21 yard frees but when his scoring record over the past number of years is put forward, it has to be noted that a lot of the scores he gets are from handy frees in front of the posts that he does little in terms of winning but he will be the guys who gets the plaudits for the scores. It's a fair comment and just because O'Connor regularly tops the scoring charts it doesn't mean he shouldn't be in the line of criticisms.

If you want to win an All Ireland and you've been mightily close to in recent years, you have got to look at the starting players and the little margins they can improve upon to win it. If I look across the Mayo starting XV and look at what players possibly need to be doing more, the two that would have jumped out at me in recent years are Aidan O'Shea and Cillian O'Connor.

A lot in that but I'll just focus on the 1st paragraph. Anyone who watched that game in 2016 would have seen the difference between Cillian and the Tyrone forwards, from play and frees. It's all a matter of opinion, but I'd say you're in the minority if you don't think Cillian is a fair bit better than them.

I'd also disagree with your claim that Cillian gets brilliant service playing for mayo. The problem with our forward play over the last few years is that we don't kick it in enough. Too many players (Vaughan, SOS, Parsons etc) just put the head down and carry the ball into traffic. Almost impossible for inside forwards to play well in that situation. Put Cillian in the Dublin team or possibly Kerry and his scores from play would have been much higher.

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