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You can call me a wum or whatever doesn't bother me.
This is the truth as I see it. Harte has installed a band of loyal supporters on the county board. He has refused to be scrutinised by the largest media broadcaster in Ireland. His own club mates now sponsor the Tyrone setup. Numerous county players are refusing to play for him. The whole thing stinks from top to bottom. We've nothing to lose by ousting the Harte Mafia and everything to gain. We should stretch every sinew for freedom.



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Re the talk of replacing Harte, the risk there is whether he's actually over achieving with this group getting them to the All Ireland semis most years and final last year.

If you compare the current group of players to the team that won All Irelands, there wouldn't be too many getting into the starting line.

Canavan, O'Neill, Mulligan, Dooher, McGuigan - means at most only one of the current crop of forwards would get in. And not too dissimilar at the back.
Now, maybe all that proves is you were blessed to have a really really top team in the past!

Harte is a specialist in failure. Underachieved with Tyrone's golden generation and is under achieving with this bunch. He must be replaced.

Yes with a mere 3 all irelands to a county that had never won one before.

Is that seriously a widely held opinion in Tyrone? I get why people might feel that he should go now and to be honest I think he is probably at the time is up stage but 3 all irelands was most certainly not under achieving??

I don't believe so. I've never heard anyone else saying that. There's many that just think Harte has ran his race and that a change would be good to freshen things up. But I've yet to hear anyone claim that he underachieved in the 00's.

That team in the 00s was destined to win All Irelands. There was definitely one All Ireland threw away in 07 when Harte picked a bogey team and got caught against Meath. The success of 03, 05 & 08 masked the years of underachievement. There was trojan work done in Tyrone long before Harte took on the senior set up. Football camps, Club Tyrone etc. Mickey Harte didn't invent winning. Tyrone has won the National League in 02 and were already a coming team. In reality Tyrone have beaten no one of note in the last 11 years. He is a specialist in failure. He has constantly got caught in Ulster, yet again this being another example. Tyrone county board should ask him to leave.

Under another manager I'm not sure we would have won in 03. I believe we would have been beat by Kerry and not even reached the AI Final. But again that's me surmising just as you have. There's no way to prove either. I believe that 3 AI's within those 7 years was a great return for a county who had zero prior to that. I don't believe we've had a team good enough to win since 2010. Calling Tyrone's most successful manager a specialist in failure is just your usually attempt to over dramatise things.

He's making attempt at wumming but not succeeding.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Mayo v Dublin - AISF - Saturday 5pm
« on: August 18, 2019, 06:03:03 PM »
Why would you want to be remembered as losers? Mayo fans should be hoping that everyone forgets about this team.
One of the best teams ever. Of course they’ll be remembered, they went toe to toe with the best team ever to play the game and in any other era they’d have won multiple AI’s

Debatable. They only had to beat Kerry and Donegal in 2012,2014 to win the All Ireland. If they had reached this years final would they have beaten Kerry? I doubt it.

They were to young in 2012 and Andy was injured! In 2014 they were stitched up!

And now too old and too many injuries? From OGs, sending offs, goalkeeping errors etc v Dublin the excuses are endless. The Dubs were desperate poor in the drawn 2016 All Ireland final scoring just 0-9. Mayo unable to take advantage as they themselves were in poor form and stumbled into that final.

They still stumbled into finals! No excuses, we always lost to the better team except for 2014. If a team is better than you, a team is better than you! Them's the breaks!

We'll possibly see Armagh reach the top table in the coming years and we'll see how their fair against this new era of Financial Doping.

 Armagh's level for foreseeable future is reaching the last eight at best. A level that Mayo might have to accept in the years ahead as they go through a transition period.

'financial doping' aside how strong is Dublin's main competitors at the moment are they (Tyrone, Donegal, Mayo and Kerry) at the level they once were?

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There were many decisions in that game that should be deeply concerning for the GAA and GAA fans. You could not credit it to a bad day at the office for Deegan, it was the willful way he ignored blatant fouling and cynicism on one hand and engaged in pure guesswork to punish innocuous contact on the other hand, all to the beneficiary of one side. The bias was not subtle, it was not hidden and there's barely been a peep about it - I've seen far better, much fairer refereeing performances been the subject of scrutiny and criticism in the past in games where it had less influence on the result.

There seems to be an element trying to hush the serious issues and grievances with Deegan. The conduct of Kerry, their players, management and ex players is regularly expunged fairly quickly in the media but with Tyrone they still bring up acts from 15 years ago. You will have the usual idiot savants like dublin7 and those regularly listing unsubstantiated claims against Tyrone but he won't look at his own county in the same light.

I'd just like a level playing field for all but it doesn't seem Tyrone will ever get that and you can guarantee if Armagh or Derry ever came back to the top table and stuck about they would soon understand. Some people from Armagh must have particularly short memories.

You are 100% correct about Deegan.  Tyrone were not the only Ulster side to come out the wrong side in the second half of a game - think back to Castlebar and Armagh Mayo game. He denied Armagh a chance to come back with his timekeeping.  At least Tyrone got 7 minutes to try to turn it around.

The problem arises when your team is beaten and you try to raise issues about the referee, it smells like sour grapes.
Ref rode us in Castlebar, even worse than he did with Tyrone vs Kerry but just like Tyrone we beat ourselves conceding soft scores and not taking our own.

Easy to blame refs after a loss. Armagh beat themselves in Castlebar, goal chances not taken 13 wides and other efforts dropped short.

Tyrone for the way they played 2nd half last Sunday deserved to be beaten.

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General discussion / Re: Things that make you go What the F**k?
« on: August 18, 2019, 04:47:03 PM »
French waiter shot dead for being 'too slow with a sandwich'

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Hurling Discussion / Re: Hurling Championship 2019
« on: August 18, 2019, 04:18:28 PM »
Shefflin doesn't think it was a red card offence then again he thinks Kilkenny are playing Limerick.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Mayo v Dublin - AISF - Saturday 5pm
« on: August 18, 2019, 03:29:41 PM »
Why would you want to be remembered as losers? Mayo fans should be hoping that everyone forgets about this team.
One of the best teams ever. Of course they’ll be remembered, they went toe to toe with the best team ever to play the game and in any other era they’d have won multiple AI’s

Debatable. They only had to beat Kerry and Donegal in 2012,2014 to win the All Ireland. If they had reached this years final would they have beaten Kerry? I doubt it.

They were to young in 2012 and Andy was injured! In 2014 they were stitched up!

And now too old and too many injuries? From OGs, sending offs, goalkeeping errors etc v Dublin the excuses are endless. The Dubs were desperate poor in the drawn 2016 All Ireland final scoring just 0-9. Mayo unable to take advantage as they themselves were in poor form and stumbled into that final.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Mayo v Dublin - AISF - Saturday 5pm
« on: August 18, 2019, 03:14:46 PM »
Why would you want to be remembered as losers? Mayo fans should be hoping that everyone forgets about this team.
One of the best teams ever. Of course they’ll be remembered, they went toe to toe with the best team ever to play the game and in any other era they’d have won multiple AI’s

Debatable. They only had to beat Kerry and Donegal in 2012,2014 to win the All Ireland. If they had reached this years final would they have beaten Kerry? I doubt it.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Up For The Match
« on: August 17, 2019, 10:26:52 PM »
The blonde hair and extra weight doesn't suit Gráinne Seoige.

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Between half time and the O'Briens goal.
The scores were as follows*
(Taken from MoysPhillyMc)

Half Time:
Kerry 0-05 Tyrone 0-09
Kerry 0-06 Tyrone 0-09 - O'Shea free
Kerry 0-07 Tyrone 0-09 - Geaney from play
Kerry 0-07 Tyrone 0-10 - McShane free
Kerry 0-08 Tyrone 0-10 - O'Shea free
Kerry 0-08 Tyrone 0-11 - McShane free
Kerry 0-09 Tyrone 0-11 - O'Shea free
Kerry 0-09 Tyrone 0-11 - Tyrone missed free
Kerry 0-10 Tyrone 0-11 - Sherwood from play
Kerry 0-10 Tyrone 0-12 - McAliskey from play
Kerry 0-11 Tyrone 0-12 - Moran from play
Kerry 0-12 Tyrone 0-12 - Clifford from play

Looks fairly balanced to me. Kerry scored the 3 frees they were awarded. Tyrone scored two and missed one of the frees they were awarded.  ;)

10 minute period where that game was won and lost.

Kerry 0-10 Tyrone 0-12 on 53 minutes to Kerry 1-15 Tyrone 0-13 on 63 minutes.

1-18 for Kerry playing well for one half. A far cry from holding Kerry to just 0-14 in the All Ireland final 11 years ago.


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GAA Discussion / Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
« on: August 15, 2019, 10:09:48 PM »
Stephen O'Brien cleared to play.
Successfully appealed Black Card against Meath.

That was a ridiculous black card to be fair

Black cards are ridiculous. Will common  sense come into play and we get the return of yellow and red cards only?

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GAA Discussion / Re: Who will you be shouting for and why?
« on: August 15, 2019, 05:10:54 PM »
Shouting, why would anyone do that if their team is not involved? I will be calmly watching and as ever would prefer if the underdog can win not fussed if they don't. For neutrals watching I feel this will be a disappointing one sided contest with Dublin likely having the game wrapped up by half time. If we had a pitch celebration for the five in row it might be somewhat interesting viewing but HQ don't allow that in Croke Park anymore, so we are let with another boring and scripted speech from Cluxton and lots of up close shots of Jim Gavin smirking.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Why are non-Tyrone people obsessed about Tyrone?
« on: August 13, 2019, 06:50:03 PM »
Paranoia, on Tyrone’s part.

Thread can be closed after that correct answer 

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1 Dublin (or Kerry)



2 Kerry (or Dublin)
3 Mayowestros (won NFL)
4 Tyrone
5 Donegal ( 3 pts in QF Group)
6 Ros.
7 to 10 in some order Cavan,  Cork, Meath, Galway
.

On what basis could you rank Tyrone above Donegal this year?

If its the fact they made a semi and Donegal only got three Super 8 points instead of Tyrone's eight, Tyrone came out of an easier group than Donegal. Add to that, they also lost, very convincingly, to them in Ulster.

Fact is, all those teams in that group (way) below Dublin can beat each other and are probably all going to lose by the guts of ten points to Dublin.

Donegal had the opportunity this summer to prove they were better than their 5th place ranking but failed.

Tyrone had the opportunity to prove they are the 2nd best team in the country but they failed.

It doesn't speak volumes for Dublin's competition when Kerry in transition under new management relying on young players are the only team left standing to stop them from winning 5 in a row.

Fifth or second based on what?

Donegal would have beaten Meath away. They would have made a much better fist of it against Mayo in  Ballybofey.

In a three game group, these things matter.

But yes, it’s all academic. Dublin are streets ahead of everyone and will be for a few years yet.

5th at best based on Donegal not reaching the last four since 2014.

Tyrone believed they were the 2nd best by reaching the final  last year in reality they needed to win yesterday to back up that claim.

Don’t see what last five years has to do with it. This is a young and coming Donegal team. Based on this season, there is little between the likes of ourselves, Tyrone and Kerry beyond the luck of the Super 8 draw. I would have little fear of playing either ( not saying we’d win - just go in 50/50). Mayo just have our number physically. Hopefully another year or two will change that.
Because any ranking system would be based on a few years and not just one summer.

Forget the earlier rounds of shadow boxing, round 3 was a knock out quarter final tie for Donegal the last two years and each game they lost by a bit to spare.

Maybe in a year or two Donegal might reach the All Ireland semi final again and I think in order for them to achieve that they will need a lot more out of the younger players and probably better game strategies will be required from Declan Bonner.

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1 Dublin (or Kerry)



2 Kerry (or Dublin)
3 Mayowestros (won NFL)
4 Tyrone
5 Donegal ( 3 pts in QF Group)
6 Ros.
7 to 10 in some order Cavan,  Cork, Meath, Galway
.

On what basis could you rank Tyrone above Donegal this year?

If its the fact they made a semi and Donegal only got three Super 8 points instead of Tyrone's eight, Tyrone came out of an easier group than Donegal. Add to that, they also lost, very convincingly, to them in Ulster.

Fact is, all those teams in that group (way) below Dublin can beat each other and are probably all going to lose by the guts of ten points to Dublin.

Donegal had the opportunity this summer to prove they were better than their 5th place ranking but failed.

Tyrone had the opportunity to prove they are the 2nd best team in the country but they failed.

It doesn't speak volumes for Dublin's competition when Kerry in transition under new management relying on young players are the only team left standing to stop them from winning 5 in a row.

Fifth or second based on what?

Donegal would have beaten Meath away. They would have made a much better fist of it against Mayo in  Ballybofey.

In a three game group, these things matter.

But yes, it’s all academic. Dublin are streets ahead of everyone and will be for a few years yet.

5th at best based on Donegal not reaching the last four since 2014.

Tyrone believed they were the 2nd best by reaching the final  last year in reality they needed to win yesterday to back up that claim.


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